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Re: HYB: AIS: Trial Garden Idea

Paul; I believed you missed my point; I noted that there are two purposes. Different goals require different approaches. Ahners plan certainly works for hybridzers and should be developed as such. But I was noting there is another type of test garden not for hybridizers alone, but for the public. This would mostly reflect performance of cultivars already introduced. It may aid hybridzers in that it may suggest choices for future parents but it is not the private relationship between hybridizer and friend but essentially a public forum for people selecting new varieties to grow in their area. It would be useful for people in different regions of the country to know how cultivars have performed in other places and not designed to limit this information just with a hybridizer

Paul Archer <pharcher@mindspring.com> wrote:Yes, I would agree that the Trial Gardens should be for hybridizers and those
willing to trial new seedlings. Those with a proven abililty and knowledge of
Iris culture. These are the opinions I am most interested in. I can honestly
say that I am not interested in doing tours and catering to smallk or large
masses trudging through my plot. I don't have the time and the situation
where my garden is does not lend itself to "parties".

I also am not willing to go "public" with my seedlings as would probably
happen with willy nilly gardens amoung irresponsible people. Those who
evaluate and contribute should enter into a responsible and non-profit
endeavour with each other. I am also not interested in writing/receiving
lengthy reports on Iris variety's culture. That is not a hybridizer's
purpose, and it really doesn't serve a public purpose either. An Iris
variety, especially bearded's and others, shouldn't need a report to know how
to grow it. Isn't that our goal?! NO FUSSY varieties. Aril's and Arilbred's
would be the only exception I would think as they are still in need of this
detailed information in working toward their improvement.

Original message:-----------

Trial gardens really serve two groups of people. First hybridizers in
deciding whether to introduce a cultivar; Second gardeners who wish to know if
introduced cultivar does well in their area. Ahners plan would work well for
the first. But the Second group has a need for test gardens also. >>

None of this is what I am talking about, Bob. And that is not because I don't
get it, it is because I am rethinking the traditional presumptions which you
have articulated, and am putting forth a new and different idea entirely, this
towards meeting goals which are meaningful to me.

I am discussing an idea of deliberately limited scope, which is brokering
individual support for hybridizers, providing a simple but practicable means
them to obtain useful information from experienced iris gardeners, putting AIS
members with a common interest in touch with each other, this towards
fostering entry into the market of irises of enhanced beauty and

<not just to a hybridzer but to people across the country.>>

But not in all cases. Not every piece of information is fodder for
publication. A hybridizer gets to have some privacy, some private
developing his/her introductions. Nor is a person who is interested in helping
out perforce obliged to have groups of people tramping all over their gardens
in season, or to write reports for public consumption, or to get bogged down
with opinionated committees of rhetoric mongers to be making a meaningful

If you freight a program with too many goals, all of which are dependent upon
too many folks coming through, and too many pieces falling into place just
right, I doubt it will fly long or fly high.

Your concept is idealistic, and there is nothing wrong with that per se, but
it is also enormously complicated, and enormously resource dependent. My
experience leads me to believe that simple and clearly defined goals are more
likely to be successfully met, especially when resources--- by which I mean
willing and competent manpower, and the capacity of a group to sustain
purposeful action toward a clearly defined goal---are in real short supply.

You are certainly welcome to promote your vision, indeed I like visions, but,
as I said, in this instance you and I talking about two entirely different


A-N-N-E-R Whitehead
Richmond VA USA

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