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RE: iris DIGEST V1 #814

  • Subject: RE: iris DIGEST V1 #814
  • From: "Carole Buchheim" <cbuchheim@verizon.net>
  • Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:11:54 -0700

Hi Again from Carole Buchheim,

I attached the Word file with the 2008 Award Winners that rebloom to my
previous message but I'm not sure if Iris Digest will support attachments.
Therefore, I will copy and paste it here.

If anyone sees any other award-winning reblooming irises among those listed
in the October 2008 AIS Bulletin, please let me know.

2008 Reblooming Iris Award Winners and Runners Up

Runner up to Sass Medal (IB)
	Concertina (G. Sutton '00) RE in CA, KS, OR, Ottawa, Australia,
Zones 4, 9

William Mohr Medal (AB)
	Shabaza (G. Sutton '01) RE in CA, Zone 9
Runner Up
	Return To Aga (R. Annand '02) RE in CA, Zone 8

Randolph Perry Medal (Spec-X)
	Alpha Gnu (B. Kasperek '99) RE in UT, Zone 5

Award Of Merit
Tall Bearded
	Decadence (B. Blyth '04) RE in Australia, Zone 9
Runners Up
	Ozark Rebounder (B. Nicodemus '03) RE in CA, MO, OR, WA,
Netherlands, Zones 6, 8, 9
	Secondhand Rose (G. Spoon '04) RE in CA, VA, Zone 6, 8
	Time Zone (J. Ghio '04) RE in CA, Zone 9

Intermediate Bearded
	Mariposa Wizard (R. Tasco '04) RE in CA, IN, MI, OR, Zones 5, 6, 8,
9

Standard Dwarf Bearded
	Blueberry Tart (C. Chapman '02) RE in CA, NE, Ontario, Zones 5, 9

Honorable Mention
Tall Bearded
	Glamour Pants* (B. Blyth '06) RE in CA, Zone 9
	Peggy Sue (L. Lauer '06) RE in CA, WA, Zone 8, 9
	Kauai Gold (G. Sutton '05) RE in CA, Zone 9
	Return To Bayberry (M. Sutton '04) RE in CA, OR, Zone 8, 9
	Sea Of Love (L. Lauer '05) RE in CA, Zone 9
	Stardock (G. Sutton '04) RE in CA, Zone 9
	Casual Elegance (T. Aitken '04) RE in CA, WA, Zone 8, 9

Intermediate Bearded
	Double Overtime (R. Tasco '05) RE in CA, OR, Zone 5
Runner Up
	Tripod (M. Sutton '05) RE in CA, Zone 9

Standard Dwarf Bearded
	Betty Boop (G. Sutton '06) RE in CA, Zone 9
	Jelly Belly (G. Sutton '04) RE in CA, Zone 9
Runner Up
	Raindance Returns (J.T. Aitken '04) RE in WA, Zone 8

Minature Dwarf Bearded
	Trimmed Velvet (D. Spoon '06) RE in VA, Zone 6

* To be added to Checklist data

Thanks again,

Carole

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-iris-digest@hort.net [mailto:owner-iris-digest@hort.net] On
Behalf Of iris DIGEST
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:00 PM
To: iris-digest@hort.net
Subject: [iris] iris DIGEST V1 #814


iris DIGEST           Monday, March 30 2009           Volume 01 : Number 814



In this issue:

        RE: [iris] iris DIGEST V1 #813
        Re: [iris] Re:proposed AIS Awards Ballot
        [iris] Re: HYB: CULT: weather & sprouts
        Re: [iris] iris DIGEST V1 #813

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:47:38 -0700
From: "Carole Buchheim" <cbuchheim@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [iris] iris DIGEST V1 #813

Hi Reblooming Iris Friends,

I am doing a survey of the Reblooming Award Winners and Runners Up as they
appeared in the October 2008 AIS Bulletin, pages 25-31.  I would like to
print up the results in the 2009 RIS Recorder (to be printed and available
before the AIS National).

I have attached a Word file with the Rebloomers that I am aware of.  Could
you please look over the attached list, compare it to the list in the Oct.
Bulletin, and inform me of any additional RE award winners and runners up?
I am sure the Reblooming Iris Society members would appreciate seeing this
information in the 2009 Spring Recorder

Thank you for your help.

Carole Buchhiem,
Editor, Reblooming Iris Society
Email: cbuchheim@verizon.net

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-iris-digest@hort.net [mailto:owner-iris-digest@hort.net] On
Behalf Of iris DIGEST
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:45 AM
To: iris-digest@hort.net
Subject: [iris] iris DIGEST V1 #813


iris DIGEST           Monday, March 30 2009           Volume 01 : Number 813



In this issue:

        [iris] CULT: weather
        Re: [iris] CULT: weather
        Re: [iris] CULT: weather
        [iris] Re:proposed AIS Awards Ballot

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:36:21 -0400
From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
Subject: [iris] CULT: weather

Well, rats.

Supposed to freeze tonight, but still lots of cloud cover, so hopefully
it won't get cold enough/last long enough to kill everything.  After a
week near 70 and all this rain, timing is not good, at least for the
TBs.  Medians can take it, even in bud, but even tho TBs (other than
RETURN TO BAYBERRY) aren't showing (or feelable in the fan), we are
<well> within 6 wks of TB bloom, which is prime time to do damage - rot
at worst, infertile or at least fertility resistance at best.

Keeping my fingers crossed & covering pots with reemay, just to be safe,
but the rows are on their own - just too much work to cover everything.

Linda M
TN

- ------------------------------

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:52:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeffrey Walters <jeffwiris@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [iris] CULT: weather

Linda,

I hope that the direst predictions will not come true for you. When I got
outside this evening to take a look around my garden after four straight
days of rain I discovered a number of stalks emerging - FURIOSO (IB; B.
Blyth, 1997) had buds opening (one almost fully open) on two stalks, and it
is not just Medians, as a quick look around revealed several TBs with stalks
already up 8-10". The predicted overnight low here is 39 - hope that is not
too optimistic.

Jeff Walters
in upstate South Carolina
(USDA Zone 7b)


- - --- On Sun, 3/29/09, Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com> wrote:

> From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
> Subject: [iris] CULT: weather
> To: iris@hort.net
> Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 6:36 PM
> Well, rats.
>
> Supposed to freeze tonight, but still lots of cloud cover,
> so hopefully it won't get cold enough/last long enough
> to kill everything.  After a week near 70 and all this rain,
> timing is not good, at least for the TBs.  Medians can take
> it, even in bud, but even tho TBs (other than RETURN TO
> BAYBERRY) aren't showing (or feelable in the fan), we
> are <well> within 6 wks of TB bloom, which is prime
> time to do damage - rot at worst, infertile or at least
> fertility resistance at best.
>
> Keeping my fingers crossed & covering pots with reemay,
> just to be safe, but the rows are on their own - just too
> much work to cover everything.
>
> Linda M
> TN

- ------------------------------

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:17:54 -0400
From: "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [iris] CULT: weather

I hope the weather spares both of you.  Here, in northern Virginia, I've
just today removed the pine straw mulch from the seedling pots and find a
few of them sending up 2 or 3-day-old shoots  --  mostly SDBs, but a couple
of TBs, too.  Once they start, they're usually all up within a week or 10
days.  They're right on schedule.  Now comes the anxious part  --  how much
germination?  --  Griff


- - ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Walters" <jeffwiris@yahoo.com>
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [iris] CULT: weather


> Linda,
>
> I hope that the direst predictions will not come true for you. When I got
> outside this evening to take a look around my garden after four straight
> days of rain I discovered a number of stalks emerging - FURIOSO (IB; B.
> Blyth, 1997) had buds opening (one almost fully open) on two stalks, and
> it is not just Medians, as a quick look around revealed several TBs with
> stalks already up 8-10". The predicted overnight low here is 39 - hope
> that is not too optimistic.
>
> Jeff Walters
> in upstate South Carolina
> (USDA Zone 7b)
>
>
> --- On Sun, 3/29/09, Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
>> Subject: [iris] CULT: weather
>> To: iris@hort.net
>> Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 6:36 PM
>> Well, rats.
>>
>> Supposed to freeze tonight, but still lots of cloud cover,
>> so hopefully it won't get cold enough/last long enough
>> to kill everything.  After a week near 70 and all this rain,
>> timing is not good, at least for the TBs.  Medians can take
>> it, even in bud, but even tho TBs (other than RETURN TO
>> BAYBERRY) aren't showing (or feelable in the fan), we
>> are <well> within 6 wks of TB bloom, which is prime
>> time to do damage - rot at worst, infertile or at least
>> fertility resistance at best.
>>
>> Keeping my fingers crossed & covering pots with reemay,
>> just to be safe, but the rows are on their own - just too
>> much work to cover everything.
>>
>> Linda M
>> TN
>

- ------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:36:56 -0400
From: irischapman@aim.com
Subject: [iris] Re:proposed AIS Awards Ballot

There are biases towards TB with Dykes  as these are more popular, and
more importantly, biases towards the warmer climates where there are
more judges. Thus there have been top awarded bearded iris in past
(including Dykes Medal Winners)  that are good growers only in warmer
climates, and not the rest of the AIS regions.

As a commercial grower in a colder climate (colder part of Southern
Ontario, Canada) I often see new iris enthusiasts selecting iris based
on the awards they have received. I also would expect some of these
plants to not do as well for them as others that are more suitable for
their climate. I do try to steer people away from plants that are not
suitable for their climate. But there are many sellers of iris, and I
suspect that there are a few enthusiasts in colder climates that get
turned off iris when the "Best" as determined by AIS award system do
poorly for them.

I have suggested in the past that there be some sort of Region
requirements for awards. I was invited to present some ideas to the AIS
board of Directors, but decided that the time was probably not right.
If there was a ground swell of support for this sort of idea, then it
could be organized and presented.

If there was some sort of Region requirement (such as weighting region
votes) then more of the  award winning iris would be suitable for a
larger number of growing climates. This would also translate into
retaining more iris ent
husiasts, and make the award system a more
reliable method of selecting good cultivars.

One manbs opinion.

Chuck Chapman




- - -----Original Message-----
From: Sandy Ives <rives@rogers.com>
To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 9:01 pm
Subject: [iris-species] Re:proposed AIS Awards Ballot



This is a precis of a precis I sent to Diane privately.B  I have
truncated the original, and there are quibbles that everyone can make.B
I have also removed some personal biases.B  ;-)
B
The AIS awards are always going to be biased one way or another... in
favour of growing irises as opposed to, say, daylilies.B  &lt;bias
removed&gt;
B
TheseB awards are determined by garden performance in the various
judges' gardens.B  That is a considerable improvement over a picture in
a catalogue, over a spike in a show, or by Joe Blow's comments on the
internet.
B
All the information concerning the iris awards is provided in the
Handbook for Judges and Shows that is available for sale from the AIS
website.B
B
First,B the hybridizer has to evaluate the seedling - does it have
qualities that are an advancement over what is already available to the
knowledgeable gardening public.B  This means those who will distinguish
between the stuff you can get at Walmart vs. the stuff you can get at a
quality nursery.B  If=2
0so, they mayB registerB it for introductionB after
several20years of evaluation in their garden and (especially for the
less experience hybridizer) guesting at another garden elsewhere in the
country/continent.B  It may then be forked into the compost or formally
introduced via a catalogue or some other printable advertisement
(webpages can be printed and mailed to the registrar).
B
The clock starts upon that formal introduction.B  A bearded iris becomes
eligible for the Honourable Mention upon its second year of
availability to the public.B  A beardless iris, such as a siberian,
becomes eligible for the HM upon its third year of availability to the
public.
B
Practically speaking, that means avid iris growers who are willing to
pay the introduction price... and that generally means the iris judges
(such as myself).B  Fortunately iris prices come down far more rapidly
than daylilies, so the average gardener can buy such irises within 3-4
years at about a quarterB the introduced price.B
B
The tool used to make the determination of what wins the HM is the AIS
ballot that is sent to all eligible AIS judges.B  There are over 800
judges spread out over the continent and overseas, including a large
number in the Pacific Northwest.B  All have multiple years of AIS
membership and a considerable amount of training into what constitutes
a quality iris.B  There are some excellent judges and some20less so, but
the overall quality is quite high and all must retrain, both in the
classroom and i
n the garden,B if they wish to maintain their status.
B
So when the ballots are tabulated, there are about 800-900 experienced
voters whose opinions are counted.B  For all iris classes, the top 10%
plus ties will receive an HM.B  If an iris does not win an HM in its
first three years of eligibility, it drops off the ballot BUT it always
remains eligible for an HM.B  &lt;bias removed&gt;.
B
Once an irisB receives an HM, it is added to the ballot asB being
eligibleB Award of Merit two years after the HM award.B  This allows the
judges who have not grown it previously to add it to their garden for
subsequent evaluation (or to search it out in other iris growers'
garden).B  Again, it remains eligible for an AM for three years, but if
it does not win an AM in those three years, it drops off the ballot
permanently.
B
The top 10% plus ties will receive an AM.B  At least two of each class
will be awarded an AM, however there must be at least three candidates
for an AM before voting is permitted.B  Therefore the less popular
classes will see proportionately more AM awards per number of
introductions than the most popular classes.
B
So you see that the chances of winning an AM in a given year are only
slightly greater than 1% for all introduced irisesB
from a given year.B
In three years of eligibility this means that around 3% of all
introduced irises from a given year in a gi
ven class will win an AM for
the most popular classes (TB and SDB especially).
B
Once a iris wins an AM, it becomes immediately eligible for the class
medal.B  The top vote getter wins the medal, but ties are permitted.
B
The medal winners become eligible for the Dykes Memorial Medal.
B
So to answer your question concerning 'Starwoman' (an IB) vs 'Rococco',
(a TB) the hybridizer who introduced 'Starwoman' saw qualities that
were improvements over existing cultivars.B  Those qualities could be
bloom count, durability, form, structure, hardiness, foliage habits;
any number of things.B  The enthusiastic iris gardeners across North
America who purchased it early and grew it in their gardens saw the
same thing, or even different things (such as rebloom) and voted for it
as a confirmation of its quality.B  Over the course of four rounds of
voting (six in the case of 'Starwoman'), its merits were confirmed.
B
All of which does not mean 'Rococco' is an inferior iris (I've never
grown it).B  It means that 'Starwoman' has superior qualities that
knowledgeable iris growers believe the gardening public should be made
aware of when determining what they might consider planting in their
garden.
B
Regards,
B
SandyB  Ives in Ottawa





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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:30:11 +0200
From: "loic tasquier" <tasquierloic@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [iris] Re:proposed AIS Awards Ballot

Well Chuck, i must say that the irises i've ordered from warmer countries
have
been very disappointing...

If i divide my Australian bill by the number of survivors, they must reach
more than $200 a piece...!
Same with the Californian bills, even if they have been kindly replaced( and
i
really am thankful for that ), the year after, same thing, they die!

When a couple of years have passed, out of 20 irises in a bed, there are
only
5  very healthy survivors, that look very lonely in their almost empty bed.
I would love to find a database of the 'Southern Beauties' that manage to
thrive in the cold and wet North...but doing the try out myself, i give up!

  The SDB and IB seem to do a little better, the demand, the pressure for
'new
things' is less, so they are not as consanguineous.





For non specialists, it's very hard when you look at a catalogue to know
where
the irises come from.
Even when you have the name of the breeder, how many know where Keppel,
Sutton, Black, Chapman, Kerr, Ghio, Blyth, Bianco, Cayeux, live!

I agree with you that something should be done, because so many people must
be
put off from growing irises:
 In Holland, i never see a bearded iris anywhere.  Irises have such a bad
reputation that no one grow them. When people visit the garden, they cannot
believe their eyes, but i tell them they must really be careful with their
choice.
If even I  intend not to buy anything coming from warmer countries anymore,
even with the passion for irises i have, imagine Mr. Lambda....who knows
nothing about this plant !

Yes, something must be done, because, for the moment, the only solution i
see,
as far as I am concerned, is a 100% boycott!

Loic


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: irischapman@aim.com
  To: ris-species@yahoogroups.com ; iris@hort.net ;
iris-photos@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:36 PM
  Subject: [iris] Re:proposed AIS Awards Ballot


  There are biases towards TB with Dykes  as these are more popular, and
  more importantly, biases towards the warmer climates where there are
  more judges. Thus there have been top awarded bearded iris in past
  (including Dykes Medal Winners)  that are good growers only in warmer
  climates, and not the rest of the AIS regions.

  As a commercial grower in a colder climate (colder part of Southern
  Ontario, Canada) I often see new iris enthusiasts selecting iris based
  on the awards they have received. I also would expect some of these
  plants to not do as well for them as others that are more suitable for
  their climate. I do try to steer people away from plants that are not
  suitable for their climate. But there are many sellers of iris, and I
  suspect that there are a few enthusiasts in colder climates that get
  turned off iris when the "Best" as determined by AIS award system do
  poorly for them.

  I have suggested in the past that there be some sort of Region
  requirements for awards. I was invited to present some ideas to the AIS
  board of Directors, but decided that the time was probably not right.
  If there was a ground swell of support for this sort of idea, then it
  could be organized and presented.

  If there was some sort of Region requirement (such as weighting region
  votes) then more of the  award winning iris would be suitable for a
  larger number of growing climates. This would also translate into
  retaining more iris ent
  husiasts, and make the award system a more
  reliable method of selecting good cultivars.

  One manbs opinion.

  Chuck Chapman




  -----Original Message-----
  From: Sandy Ives <rives@rogers.com>
  To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 9:01 pm
  Subject: [iris-species] Re:proposed AIS Awards Ballot



  This is a precis of a precis I sent to Diane privately.B  I have
  truncated the original, and there are quibbles that everyone can make.B
  I have also removed some personal biases.B  ;-)
  B
  The AIS awards are always going to be biased one way or another... in
  favour of growing irises as opposed to, say, daylilies.B  <bias
  removed>
  B
  TheseB awards are determined by garden performance in the various
  judges' gardens.B  That is a considerable improvement over a picture in
  a catalogue, over a spike in a show, or by Joe Blow's comments on the
  internet.
  B
  All the information concerning the iris awards is provided in the
  Handbook for Judges and Shows that is available for sale from the AIS
  website.B
  B
  First,B the hybridizer has to evaluate the seedling - does it have
  qualities that are an advancement over what is already available to the
  knowledgeable gardening public.B  This means those who will distinguish
  between the stuff you can get at Walmart vs. the stuff you can get at a
  quality nursery.B  If=2
  0so, they mayB registerB it for introductionB after
  several20years of evaluation in their garden and (especially for the
  less experience hybridizer) guesting at another garden elsewhere in the
  country/continent.B  It may then be forked into the compost or formally
  introduced via a catalogue or some other printable advertisement
  (webpages can be printed and mailed to the registrar).
  B
  The clock starts upon that formal introduction.B  A bearded iris becomes
  eligible for the Honourable Mention upon its second year of
  availability to the public.B  A beardless iris, such as a siberian,
  becomes eligible for the HM upon its third year of availability to the
  public.
  B
  Practically speaking, that means avid iris growers who are willing to
  pay the introduction price... and that generally means the iris judges
  (such as myself).B  Fortunately iris prices come down far more rapidly
  than daylilies, so the average gardener can buy such irises within 3-4
  years at about a quarterB the introduced price.B
  B
  The tool used to make the determination of what wins the HM is the AIS
  ballot that is sent to all eligible AIS judges.B  There are over 800
  judges spread out over the continent and overseas, including a large
  number in the Pacific Northwest.B  All have multiple years of AIS
  membership and a considerable amount of training into what constitutes
  a quality iris.B  There are some excellent judges and some20less so, but
  the overall quality is quite high and all must retrain, both in the
  classroom and i
  n the garden,B if they wish to maintain their status.
  B
  So when the ballots are tabulated, there are about 800-900 experienced
  voters whose opinions are counted.B  For all iris classes, the top 10%
  plus ties will receive an HM.B  If an iris does not win an HM in its
  first three years of eligibility, it drops off the ballot BUT it always
  remains eligible for an HM.B  <bias removed>.
  B
  Once an irisB receives an HM, it is added to the ballot asB being
  eligibleB Award of Merit two years after the HM award.B  This allows the
  judges who have not grown it previously to add it to their garden for
  subsequent evaluation (or to search it out in other iris growers'
  garden).B  Again, it remains eligible for an AM for three years, but if
  it does not win an AM in those three years, it drops off the ballot
  permanently.
  B
  The top 10% plus ties will receive an AM.B  At least two of each class
  will be awarded an AM, however there must be at least three candidates
  for an AM before voting is permitted.B  Therefore the less popular
  classes will see proportionately more AM awards per number of
  introductions than the most popular classes.
  B
  So you see that the chances of winning an AM in a given year are only
  slightly greater than 1% for all introduced irisesB
  from a given year.B
  In three years of eligibility this means that around 3% of all
  introduced irises from a given year in a gi
  ven class will win an AM for
  the most popular classes (TB and SDB especially).
  B
  Once a iris wins an AM, it becomes immediately eligible for the class
  medal.B  The top vote getter wins the medal, but ties are permitted.
  B
  The medal winners become eligible for the Dykes Memorial Medal.
  B
  So to answer your question concerning 'Starwoman' (an IB) vs 'Rococco',
  (a TB) the hybridizer who introduced 'Starwoman' saw qualities that
  were improvements over existing cultivars.B  Those qualities could be
  bloom count, durability, form, structure, hardiness, foliage habits;
  any number of things.B  The enthusiastic iris gardeners across North
  America who purchased it early and grew it in their gardens saw the
  same thing, or even different things (such as rebloom) and voted for it
  as a confirmation of its quality.B  Over the course of four rounds of
  voting (six in the case of 'Starwoman'), its merits were confirmed.
  B
  All of which does not mean 'Rococco' is an inferior iris (I've never
  grown it).B  It means that 'Starwoman' has superior qualities that
  knowledgeable iris growers believe the gardening public should be made
  aware of when determining what they might consider planting in their
  garden.
  B
  Regards,
  B
  SandyB  Ives in Ottawa





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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:12:59 -0500
From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
Subject: [iris] Re: HYB: CULT: weather & sprouts

Only got down to 32oF here this AM & didn't stay that cold for more than
a couple of hours.  no problem.

Checked the seedling pots this morning and <two> crosses that had no
germination after 3 months in burrito plus a month on the sunporch (lows
~40oF) have sent up a few leaves.  Both are ones I really wanted to see,
so that's a nice spring surprise.  At least now I know the seeds were
ok, just wanted longer chilling.

One is GARDEN CLUB DELIGHT X DECADENCE, the other is (DUSKY GRAPE x
VIOLET MIRACLE) X (VIOLET MIRACLE x EASY LIVING).

Only 3 sprouts so far - keeping my fingers crossed that a few more will
show.
- --
Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
East Tennessee Iris Society <http://www.korrnet.org/etis>
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:29:42 +1030
From: Impressive Irises <colleen@impressiveirises.com.au>
Subject: Re: [iris] iris DIGEST V1 #813

Hi Carole

I didn't receive an attachment, could you please send again

Thanks

Colleen Modra
ph/fax 08 8389 4439
Impressive Irises
PO Box 169
Charleston SA 5244

www.impressiveirises.com.au
colleen@imressiveirises.com.au

Carole Buchheim wrote:
> Hi Reblooming Iris Friends,
>
> I am doing a survey of the Reblooming Award Winners and Runners Up as they
> appeared in the October 2008 AIS Bulletin, pages 25-31.  I would like to
> print up the results in the 2009 RIS Recorder (to be printed and available
> before the AIS National).
>
> I have attached a Word file with the Rebloomers that I am aware of.  Could
> you please look over the attached list, compare it to the list in the Oct.
> Bulletin, and inform me of any additional RE award winners and runners up?
> I am sure the Reblooming Iris Society members would appreciate seeing this
> information in the 2009 Spring Recorder
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Carole Buchhiem,
> Editor, Reblooming Iris Society
> Email: cbuchheim@verizon.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-iris-digest@hort.net [mailto:owner-iris-digest@hort.net] On
> Behalf Of iris DIGEST
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:45 AM
> To: iris-digest@hort.net
> Subject: [iris] iris DIGEST V1 #813
>
>
> iris DIGEST           Monday, March 30 2009           Volume 01 : Number
813
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
>         [iris] CULT: weather
>         Re: [iris] CULT: weather
>         Re: [iris] CULT: weather
>         [iris] Re:proposed AIS Awards Ballot
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:36:21 -0400
> From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
> Subject: [iris] CULT: weather
>
> Well, rats.
>
> Supposed to freeze tonight, but still lots of cloud cover, so hopefully
> it won't get cold enough/last long enough to kill everything.  After a
> week near 70 and all this rain, timing is not good, at least for the
> TBs.  Medians can take it, even in bud, but even tho TBs (other than
> RETURN TO BAYBERRY) aren't showing (or feelable in the fan), we are
> <well> within 6 wks of TB bloom, which is prime time to do damage - rot
> at worst, infertile or at least fertility resistance at best.
>
> Keeping my fingers crossed & covering pots with reemay, just to be safe,
> but the rows are on their own - just too much work to cover everything.
>
> Linda M
> TN
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:52:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jeffrey Walters <jeffwiris@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [iris] CULT: weather
>
> Linda,
>
> I hope that the direst predictions will not come true for you. When I got
> outside this evening to take a look around my garden after four straight
> days of rain I discovered a number of stalks emerging - FURIOSO (IB; B.
> Blyth, 1997) had buds opening (one almost fully open) on two stalks, and
it
> is not just Medians, as a quick look around revealed several TBs with
stalks
> already up 8-10". The predicted overnight low here is 39 - hope that is
not
> too optimistic.
>
> Jeff Walters
> in upstate South Carolina
> (USDA Zone 7b)
>
>
> - --- On Sun, 3/29/09, Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com> wrote:
>
>
>> From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
>> Subject: [iris] CULT: weather
>> To: iris@hort.net
>> Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 6:36 PM
>> Well, rats.
>>
>> Supposed to freeze tonight, but still lots of cloud cover,
>> so hopefully it won't get cold enough/last long enough
>> to kill everything.  After a week near 70 and all this rain,
>> timing is not good, at least for the TBs.  Medians can take
>> it, even in bud, but even tho TBs (other than RETURN TO
>> BAYBERRY) aren't showing (or feelable in the fan), we
>> are <well> within 6 wks of TB bloom, which is prime
>> time to do damage - rot at worst, infertile or at least
>> fertility resistance at best.
>>
>> Keeping my fingers crossed & covering pots with reemay,
>> just to be safe, but the rows are on their own - just too
>> much work to cover everything.
>>
>> Linda M
>> TN
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:17:54 -0400
> From: "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [iris] CULT: weather
>
> I hope the weather spares both of you.  Here, in northern Virginia, I've
> just today removed the pine straw mulch from the seedling pots and find a
> few of them sending up 2 or 3-day-old shoots  --  mostly SDBs, but a
couple
> of TBs, too.  Once they start, they're usually all up within a week or 10
> days.  They're right on schedule.  Now comes the anxious part  --  how
much
> germination?  --  Griff
>
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeffrey Walters" <jeffwiris@yahoo.com>
> To: <iris@hort.net>
> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [iris] CULT: weather
>
>
>
>> Linda,
>>
>> I hope that the direst predictions will not come true for you. When I got
>> outside this evening to take a look around my garden after four straight
>> days of rain I discovered a number of stalks emerging - FURIOSO (IB; B.
>> Blyth, 1997) had buds opening (one almost fully open) on two stalks, and
>> it is not just Medians, as a quick look around revealed several TBs with
>> stalks already up 8-10". The predicted overnight low here is 39 - hope
>> that is not too optimistic.
>>
>> Jeff Walters
>> in upstate South Carolina
>> (USDA Zone 7b)
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 3/29/09, Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
>>> Subject: [iris] CULT: weather
>>> To: iris@hort.net
>>> Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 6:36 PM
>>> Well, rats.
>>>
>>> Supposed to freeze tonight, but still lots of cloud cover,
>>> so hopefully it won't get cold enough/last long enough
>>> to kill everything.  After a week near 70 and all this rain,
>>> timing is not good, at least for the TBs.  Medians can take
>>> it, even in bud, but even tho TBs (other than RETURN TO
>>> BAYBERRY) aren't showing (or feelable in the fan), we
>>> are <well> within 6 wks of TB bloom, which is prime
>>> time to do damage - rot at worst, infertile or at least
>>> fertility resistance at best.
>>>
>>> Keeping my fingers crossed & covering pots with reemay,
>>> just to be safe, but the rows are on their own - just too
>>> much work to cover everything.
>>>
>>> Linda M
>>> TN
>>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:36:56 -0400
> From: irischapman@aim.com
> Subject: [iris] Re:proposed AIS Awards Ballot
>
> There are biases towards TB with Dykes  as these are more popular, and
> more importantly, biases towards the warmer climates where there are
> more judges. Thus there have been top awarded bearded iris in past
> (including Dykes Medal Winners)  that are good growers only in warmer
> climates, and not the rest of the AIS regions.
>
> As a commercial grower in a colder climate (colder part of Southern
> Ontario, Canada) I often see new iris enthusiasts selecting iris based
> on the awards they have received. I also would expect some of these
> plants to not do as well for them as others that are more suitable for
> their climate. I do try to steer people away from plants that are not
> suitable for their climate. But there are many sellers of iris, and I
> suspect that there are a few enthusiasts in colder climates that get
> turned off iris when the "Best" as determined by AIS award system do
> poorly for them.
>
> I have suggested in the past that there be some sort of Region
> requirements for awards. I was invited to present some ideas to the AIS
> board of Directors, but decided that the time was probably not right.
> If there was a ground swell of support for this sort of idea, then it
> could be organized and presented.
>
> If there was some sort of Region requirement (such as weighting region
> votes) then more of the  award winning iris would be suitable for a
> larger number of growing climates. This would also translate into
> retaining more iris ent
> husiasts, and make the award system a more
> reliable method of selecting good cultivars.
>
> One manbs opinion.
>
> Chuck Chapman
>
>
>
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandy Ives <rives@rogers.com>
> To: iris-species@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 9:01 pm
> Subject: [iris-species] Re:proposed AIS Awards Ballot
>
>
>
> This is a precis of a precis I sent to Diane privately.B  I have
> truncated the original, and there are quibbles that everyone can make.B
> I have also removed some personal biases.B  ;-)
> B
> The AIS awards are always going to be biased one way or another... in
> favour of growing irises as opposed to, say, daylilies.B  &lt;bias
> removed&gt;
> B
> TheseB awards are determined by garden performance in the various
> judges' gardens.B  That is a considerable improvement over a picture in
> a catalogue, over a spike in a show, or by Joe Blow's comments on the
> internet.
> B
> All the information concerning the iris awards is provided in the
> Handbook for Judges and Shows that is available for sale from the AIS
> website.B
> B
> First,B the hybridizer has to evaluate the seedling - does it have
> qualities that are an advancement over what is already available to the
> knowledgeable gardening public.B  This means those who will distinguish
> between the stuff you can get at Walmart vs. the stuff you can get at a
> quality nursery.B  If=2
> 0so, they mayB registerB it for introductionB after
> several20years of evaluation in their garden and (especially for the
> less experience hybridizer) guesting at another garden elsewhere in the
> country/continent.B  It may then be forked into the compost or formally
> introduced via a catalogue or some other printable advertisement
> (webpages can be printed and mailed to the registrar).
> B
> The clock starts upon that formal introduction.B  A bearded iris becomes
> eligible for the Honourable Mention upon its second year of
> availability to the public.B  A beardless iris, such as a siberian,
> becomes eligible for the HM upon its third year of availability to the
> public.
> B
> Practically speaking, that means avid iris growers who are willing to
> pay the introduction price... and that generally means the iris judges
> (such as myself).B  Fortunately iris prices come down far more rapidly
> than daylilies, so the average gardener can buy such irises within 3-4
> years at about a quarterB the introduced price.B
> B
> The tool used to make the determination of what wins the HM is the AIS
> ballot that is sent to all eligible AIS judges.B  There are over 800
> judges spread out over the continent and overseas, including a large
> number in the Pacific Northwest.B  All have multiple years of AIS
> membership and a considerable amount of training into what constitutes
> a quality iris.B  There are some excellent judges and some20less so, but
> the overall quality is quite high and all must retrain, both in the
> classroom and i
> n the garden,B if they wish to maintain their status.
> B
> So when the ballots are tabulated, there are about 800-900 experienced
> voters whose opinions are counted.B  For all iris classes, the top 10%
> plus ties will receive an HM.B  If an iris does not win an HM in its
> first three years of eligibility, it drops off the ballot BUT it always
> remains eligible for an HM.B  &lt;bias removed&gt;.
> B
> Once an irisB receives an HM, it is added to the ballot asB being
> eligibleB Award of Merit two years after the HM award.B  This allows the
> judges who have not grown it previously to add it to their garden for
> subsequent evaluation (or to search it out in other iris growers'
> garden).B  Again, it remains eligible for an AM for three years, but if
> it does not win an AM in those three years, it drops off the ballot
> permanently.
> B
> The top 10% plus ties will receive an AM.B  At least two of each class
> will be awarded an AM, however there must be at least three candidates
> for an AM before voting is permitted.B  Therefore the less popular
> classes will see proportionately more AM awards per number of
> introductions than the most popular classes.
> B
> So you see that the chances of winning an AM in a given year are only
> slightly greater than 1% for all introduced irisesB
> from a given year.B
> In three years of eligibility this means that around 3% of all
> introduced irises from a given year in a gi
> ven class will win an AM for
> the most popular classes (TB and SDB especially).
> B
> Once a iris wins an AM, it becomes immediately eligible for the class
> medal.B  The top vote getter wins the medal, but ties are permitted.
> B
> The medal winners become eligible for the Dykes Memorial Medal.
> B
> So to answer your question concerning 'Starwoman' (an IB) vs 'Rococco',
> (a TB) the hybridizer who introduced 'Starwoman' saw qualities that
> were improvements over existing cultivars.B  Those qualities could be
> bloom count, durability, form, structure, hardiness, foliage habits;
> any number of things.B  The enthusiastic iris gardeners across North
> America who purchased it early and grew it in their gardens saw the
> same thing, or even different things (such as rebloom) and voted for it
> as a confirmation of its quality.B  Over the course of four rounds of
> voting (six in the case of 'Starwoman'), its merits were confirmed.
> B
> All of which does not mean 'Rococco' is an inferior iris (I've never
> grown it).B  It means that 'Starwoman' has superior qualities that
> knowledgeable iris growers believe the gardening public should be made
> aware of when determining what they might consider planting in their
> garden.
> B
> Regards,
> B
> SandyB  Ives in Ottawa
>
>
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