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Re: COMP spelling

Thanks, Steve and Mike -- I just tried sending vowels with diacritical marks in plain text per Outlook Express. You saw the result. Can't do it. So, apparently, plain text means just that. -- Griff

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Szabo" <steve@familyszabo.com>
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: [iris] COMP spelling

It appears that the list software strips off the upper ASCII formatting and presents the letters in the lower ASCII range (0 - 127) only.

Griff, the list mail comes through Mallorn, not Yahoo (Received: from lorien2.mallorn.com ([])). I know I can send upper ASCII characters through Yahoo.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-iris@hort.net [mailto:owner-iris@hort.net] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:02 PM
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: RE: [iris] COMP spelling

Just a test with ASCII characters using the extended ASCII codes for them in a message written in plain text to this list. If the various letters show with the diacriticals, then this is how one must enter them to appear on the list. If not, then either your software or the list software is probably stripping them out.

b, (Euro sign)
B% (yen)
B E Latin Upper case ligature Oe
B. (Registered Trademark)
C Uppercase A with tilde
C* lower case e with circumflex
C3 lower case o with acute

If you are using Windows, you should have a character map installed that you can either copy and paste from, or enter the ASCII code that is given <Alt>nnnn where nnnn is the four digit ASCII number. You can also search the web for ASCII tables that will give you the ASCII number to use, but, be aware that the table must match character set (commonly called font) you are using, or you will get unpredictable results.

The message I am sending uses the Arial character set, which most mail readers should be able to use as is. However, if yours does not, the results will not be predictable, which is why I have listed what each character should be.

If you write messages in HTML, the HTML code has different methods for conveying characters, which may be stripped when the message is translated to plain text.

What AOL may do to this is unknown to me.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-iris@hort.net [mailto:owner-iris@hort.net] On Behalf Of loic tasquier
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 3:34 AM
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: [iris] COMP spelling

Hello Griff.

I've noticed that accents, apostrophes and dieresis ( two dots) , as well as other colours than black, or different from Times-New-Roman types of fond are
not accepted on Iris-talk, and are replaced by other signs that make the
sentences look odd.
Same odd thing with the iris registration data on line.

When on iris-photo, each sign appears like it has been typed.

I would like to know why such a difference.

If anyone could give some information about this phenomenon, it would help
Irish or French speakers understand this phenomenon.

----- Original Message -----
 From: J. Griffin Crump
 To: iris@hort.net
 Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [iris] OT: puns

Yuk! I should have known better than to try to send an Irish phrase through Yahoo. The words are actually "Beannachtai orthu", with a diacritical mark
 on the "i" and the "u".  --  Griff

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@cox.net>
 To: <iris@hort.net>
 Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [iris] OT: puns

> Linda -- There are various ways to collect those containers. The little > Irish class that I teach surprised me this week with a Christmas present
 > of a big bottle of Bailey's Irish Cream.  Bless them!  (Beanneachtam
> orthz!) Another way might be to have a container emptying party after the > Geek Dinner next spring in Austin or at some other opportune time that the
 > schedule might allow.   --  Griff
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: "Linda Smith" <irisgrower@cableone.net>
 > To: <iris@hort.net>
 > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:40 PM
 > Subject: Re: [iris] OT: puns
 >> Hi Griff,
 >> Well, at least now I know where you get all the display bottles for
 >> and where the party is going to be (though I've not seen a date for
 >> You know Griff you still owe us a party to get containers for spring
 >> shows
 >> across the nation.
 >> Linda in CW AZ
 >> -------Original Message-------
 >> From: J. Griffin Crump
 >> Date: 12/15/07 16:37:10
 >> To: iris@hort.net
 >> Subject: [iris] OT: puns
 >> Anner wrote:
>>>Of course a terrible pun is a good pun,?just as a good pun is a bad pun,
 >>>and the worst puns are the ones that are not groanworthy,?not the ones
>> Yes, you've got it exactly. Or, at least, that's the way it seems when >> three of my friends, all inveterate punsters, and I are online arranging
 >> for
 >> our occasional lunches. We usually meet at one of two local sandwich
 >> emporia, the Lost Dog or, if it's crowded, the Stray Cat, which is
 >> nearby.
 >> We may have to find somewhere else to meet, though, since we've about
 >> exhausted our store of dog and cat puns.
 >>>It's a paradox, as Gilbert and Sullivan would say, or whichever one of
 >>>wrote the lyrics.?<
>> Gilbert, a lawyer, wrote the lyrics. His profession must have reassured >> Sullivan, the composer, for their ditties often trod heavily on the toes
 >> of
 >> authority.  I forget which one of them used to arrive at the dress
 >> rehearsal
 >> still frantically writing the last of his part of the work.  I like,
 >> particularly, from the Mikado:
>> "Our warriors in serried ranks assembled -- They never flinch and they
 >> conceal it if they do."
 >> And, from Ruddigore (sung at breakneck speed):
>> "This particularly rapid unintelligible patter isn't generally heard and
 >> if
 >> it is it doesn't matter . . . matter, matter, matter, matter" etc.  --
 >> Griff
 >> ----- Original Message -----
 >> From: <chatowhitehall@aol.com>
 >> To: <iris@hort.net>
 >> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:02 PM
 >> Subject: Re: [iris] OT-BIO: Im back
 >>> Griff said:
 >>> Sorry about the terrible puns. I didn't know there were any other
 >>> kind. --
 >>> Griff?
 >>> Oh,?mercy, Griff! Please don't tell me I've tossed out something with
 >>> the
>>> wrong English on it!?Of course a terrible pun is a good pun,?just as a
 >>> good pun is a bad pun, and the worst puns are the ones that are not
 >>> groanworthy,?not the ones that are. Its a paradox, as Gilbert and
 >>> Sullivan
 >>> would say, or whichever one of them wrote the lyrics.?
 >>> Thanks for sending the pictures along.?If I am remembering correctly
 >>> Michelle was about seventeen when she was here before. We have had so
 >>> few
>>> young members. Wonder whatever happened to?Rusty in Texas??So often?the
 >>> young grow up and aren't interested in gardening any more.
>>> Anner Whitehead, sending?from a remote location as a test?and?expecting
 >>> to
 >>> see some line break issues and stray punctuation.

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