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Re: REB: Forever Blue & Autumn Twilight?
  • Subject: Re: REB: Forever Blue & Autumn Twilight?
  • From: Phloid <phloid@bellsouth.net>
  • Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 21:51:14 -0500

I just got Summer Whitewings this summer from Winterberry. I want to give it to second season for taking starts but happy to share some if it does well. Will keep your offer of Autumn Twilight in mind. I am interested in historic rebloomers and have some things getting hard to get. Will cut out a list from my Excel sheet and send you - maybe a week or two on that. I was shocked when I learned Winterberry was the only source of Violet Miracle. Such a pivotal iris in re hybridizing history you would think that would be enough to keep a few growers offering it. Thankfully I got it from them. They had Northern Spy listed but weren't able to send. Hopefully they will offer in 2014.

But back to Brown: I am hoping one day to find September Butterfly and Summer Fantasy. They are both Summer Whitewings X Lugano. Lugano is the only F. Cayeux I've seen referred to as re.. I don't know of a US source and may eventually make arrangements to get some from Europe.

I like older form and wish there was still room on the TB catwalk for distinctly tailored. There still is some with MTB and dwarfs but already the drive is toward dolling it up too much for my taste. There are many older tailored irises but few cool climate re. I think there is a gardener's market for good cultural habits, good re and tailored, especially in selfs. Doll awards or not. oh Lord - enough already Shaub.

I'm in the NC mts just outside of Asheville. Moved here 7 years ago from Raleigh-Durham area. Still learning the differences climate presents to my gardening. Asheville recently got changed to Z7 but terrain is so important. I consider myself to still be Z6. I am on 3 ac with a creek btm and rise of 50 ft at high ground. There is noticeable difference in night temps between the two year round. Eventually I want to do some informal testing by planting like re cvs in the btm and the top and see if re initiation varies. I'm beginning to suspect I might have trouble with early season TB/BB bloomers due to temp fluctuations and "late" frosts in spring. One notable thing here is that 90+ deg days are few and 96 is the hottest temp I've recorded at my place. Nice feature at these latitudes! :)

I've had IMM for years so as you can imagine I have some big clumps of it. An established clump will crank up mid-Aug and bloom until cut down by freeze. lol - actually to the point you don't pay much attention to it.

Happy Holidays!

On 12/22/2013 9:15 AM, Linda Mann wrote:
Hi Phloid. It's been a long time ago, but I bought every G.P. Brown cultivar they had from Winterberry Gardens. I became interested in them after reading comments about how hardy they were plus their rebloom traits. At the time, I didn't have anything with strong enough modern form that would thrive here in 'iris hell' to cross them with. I keep meaning to ask Ginny if they still have Summer Whitewings and Summer Greenshadows, Autumn Ora. They did well here for several years, but I'm afraid the weeds and drought got them before I had anything I wanted to use with them.

The two of his that have survived here are September Chereau and Autumn Twilight. SC hasn't been thriving, but replaces itself and often reblooms late summer, but plicata seems to be the one pattern we already have plenty of in strong rebloomers, so no temptation to use that one. Autumn Twilight seems to really like it here.

I only made one cross - Autumn Twilight X Renown, which made a big leap forward in form, but not as much as I'd hoped for using Renown. I now have some better things to try with it that are more likely to jump form forward and have more of the 'summer' rebloom genes (IMM type, no idea at this point what they are compatible with as far as same kind of rebloom).

I have plenty of it that I can share.

Do you grow IMM?

Where are you located? east coast mts or west? Different set of stresses.

On 12/21/2013 9:45 PM, Phloid wrote:
I'm an historic irises nut. Thank you for looking back directly to
historic materials in your breeding work. You must have an interest in
G.P. Brown? We spoke about your having Summer Whitewings awhile back. My
grasp of breeding nuts and bolts is very limited. I think I read in an
old thread Walter Moore saying many of Brown's irises would bloom in
summer heat even if they died from the stress. Sounds like if one could
capture that drive and put in stamina from somewhere else it could be

Forever Blue has grown very well here but in it's two years it has not
rebloomed for me here in z6b bordering 7a. Being in the mountains we get
cool nights starting in late Aug and chilly ones by late Sep. That
obviously has not been a ticket to re.

Where did you source your AT. Iris City perhaps?

On 12/19/2013 10:37 AM, Linda Mann wrote:
Not a cross anybody would make to get anything from the first
generation that would look good, but I'm wondering what the rebloom
habit of seedlings from such a cross might be.

Has anybody tried a cross of these two?

Forever Blue grows well here, I've had it for several years, & it has
fall bloomed once on one fan. I assume it's too hot here for it to be
willing to bloom earlier.

Autumn Twilight is one of the few that sends up a lot of stalks in hot
weather here.

Linda Mann

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