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Re: Re: Popularizing non-TB iris

From: Gerry Snyder <gcsnyd@loop.com>

Dennis Kramb wrote:
> From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
> CAUTION:  For those of you that don't know me, which is 99% of you, what
> follows is all said in the spirit of good fun.  So don't take it
> personally.  However, I think I do raise some pretty valid points!

To tear down your points, one by one (just in fun)

> (#1) Judges/Judging, Awards & Medals, etc.:
>         a) Judges are not growing enough arilbreds.  This is obvious
> because only 13 voted for this year's HM winner.  Surely more than 13
> judges can grow arilbreds

Perhaps some grow ABs and chose not to vote for the winner?

> (out of 200?  500?  1,000 judges out there?
> nobody has told me yet how many judges there are).

This thread started with a comment on the number of judges. Go check it
out. (Look up Thornbird, a glorious TB.)

>  I'm talking
> quarterbreds here.  C'mon folks, quarterbreds are not THAT fussy.  And if
> you can grow them, then you should, IMHO.  15 of you voted for Californicae
> HM, can more people grow these than quarterbreds?!??  Hmmmm????

Again, it is overly simplistic to compare the number of votes for the

>         b) AIS doesn't care that only 13 voted for this group.  I say this
> because nobody else seemed to notice until I mentioned it.  And when I did
> mention it, nobody seemed the least bit concerned.  How nice to know that
> AIS doesn't care about certain irises!!!

This is so insulting as not to deserve a reply.

>         c) It's not just arilbreds, but all non-TB groups that are
> under-represented by judges.  The beardless especially seem to be ignored.
> Judges are setting the wrong example if they grow 100's or 1000's of TBs
> and virtually nothing else.  I have no proof that this goes on, but it
> seems to be what's happening. Apologies in advance if I am wrong!  And BOY
> would I love to be wrong.

I would love for you to be wrong, too.!

> (#2) Publishing IRIS-TALK Symposium Results in the AIS Bulletin:
>         ....
>         b) I think the AIS should have an Open Symposium similar to what we
> have done here on Iris-Talk.  They're sending the wrong message to the
> masses by sponsoring a TB-only Symposium.  (PLEASE REFER TO ABOVE, #1-B,
> "How nice to know that AIS doesn't care about certain irises!!!")  I am
> insulted by AIS telling me that my favorite irises are not worthy.

AIS isn't telling you that. 

> (#3) "Bearded Irises Are The Most Adaptable..." 
>         I am sick to death of hearing this!  Beardless irises naturally
> occur on 4 continents.  Bearded irises only span 1.5 continents.  How does
> that make them more adaptable?????????????????????????????????????  It must
> be that new math or something...

If the same beardless iris occurred on 4 continents your comment would
be valid. They don't. It isn't.

> (#4) Shows
>         I don't like 'em.  Flowers are more valuable to me for hybridizing
> than for winning a ribbon.  I'd rather spend the day in the garden pollen
> daubing than grooming and fussing over something that's going to be gone
> soon anyways.


> (#5) The Great TB Conspiracy!! ....

Others complain that there is too much space wasted in the Bulletin on
non-TB junk.

> .... I keep forgetting, the AIS doesn't care about certain
> irises!!

Still not worthy of a reply.

> PS: I would just like to reiterate:  For those of you that don't know me,
> which is 99% of you, this entire message was composed all in good fun.  But
> I think I do raise some pretty valid points!

I think I've torn them down pretty well, just in fun.

Of course, if the comments had been limited to the observation that
judges, like many other irisarians, should grow a wider variety of
irises, I would have had to agree.

Gerry, former Cincinnatian
Gerry Snyder, AIS Symposium Chair
Region 15 Ass't RVP, JT Chair
Member San Fernando Valley, Southern California Iris Societies
in warm, winterless Los Angeles

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