Re: Re: Popularizing non-TB iris
From: "Bill Stone" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Dennis; I think you are working on the wrong people. When the general
public places it's prioritys on Iris's of one kind or other, then you will
see the flow of information change. Here on Iris-talk we are fortunate to
hear view points from various growers and hybridizers. We are fortunate.
Many people still just see whats at the super-store and what is in the
catalogs occasionally. they are the market for our commercial growers and
what they choose to buy is what is being sold. As people get more
interested they expand their growing abilities and that brings on more
varieties of iris. As others have stated when the interest is there people
will seek out more information and choose their direction. Bill
Stone's Iris Garden
23801 Shake Ridge Rd.
Volcano, CA 95689
3500 ft. elev. 55 miles SE of Sacramento,
Sunset Zone 7
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Kramb <email@example.com>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [iris-talk] Re: Popularizing non-TB iris
> From: Dennis Kramb <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> CAUTION: For those of you that don't know me, which is 99% of you, what
> follows is all said in the spirit of good fun. So don't take it
> personally. However, I think I do raise some pretty valid points!
> There are several different issues being discussed on the list to which I
> would like respond and/or further provoke. :)
> (#1) Judges/Judging, Awards & Medals, etc.:
> a) Judges are not growing enough arilbreds. This is obvious
> because only 13 voted for this year's HM winner. Surely more than 13
> judges can grow arilbreds (out of 200? 500? 1,000 judges out there?
> nobody has told me yet how many judges there are). I'm talking
> quarterbreds here. C'mon folks, quarterbreds are not THAT fussy. And if
> you can grow them, then you should, IMHO. 15 of you voted for
> HM, can more people grow these than quarterbreds?!?? Hmmmm????
> b) AIS doesn't care that only 13 voted for this group. I say this
> because nobody else seemed to notice until I mentioned it. And when I did
> mention it, nobody seemed the least bit concerned. How nice to know that
> AIS doesn't care about certain irises!!!
> c) It's not just arilbreds, but all non-TB groups that are
> under-represented by judges. The beardless especially seem to be ignored.
> Judges are setting the wrong example if they grow 100's or 1000's of TBs
> and virtually nothing else. I have no proof that this goes on, but it
> seems to be what's happening. Apologies in advance if I am wrong! And BOY
> would I love to be wrong.
> (#2) Publishing IRIS-TALK Symposium Results in the AIS Bulletin:
> a) I think this is a good idea. Obviously not all 1,000+ entries
> would be printed, but a summary of the results would be nice. Even if it
> is just a list of those enjoyable comments that people made about certain
> b) I think the AIS should have an Open Symposium similar to what we
> have done here on Iris-Talk. They're sending the wrong message to the
> masses by sponsoring a TB-only Symposium. (PLEASE REFER TO ABOVE, #1-B,
> "How nice to know that AIS doesn't care about certain irises!!!") I am
> insulted by AIS telling me that my favorite irises are not worthy.
> (#3) "Bearded Irises Are The Most Adaptable..." (direct quote from Bill
> Shear, but the same sentiments held by most everyone else on Iris-Talk and
> in AIS, including Clarence Mahan our prez who told me this in an email
> I am sick to death of hearing this! Beardless irises naturally
> occur on 4 continents. Bearded irises only span 1.5 continents. How does
> that make them more adaptable????????????????????????????????????? It
> be that new math or something...
> (#4) Shows
> I don't like 'em. Flowers are more valuable to me for hybridizing
> than for winning a ribbon. I'd rather spend the day in the garden pollen
> daubing than grooming and fussing over something that's going to be gone
> soon anyways.
> (#5) The Great TB Conspiracy!!
> Please take a moment to consider the following statistics that I
> wasted the last half hour of my life compiling from my AIS bulletins. :)
> I have been receiving bulletins since 1/98, so I now have 8 issues. Here
> is what I discovered:
> a) What is featured on the front cover of EACH AND EVERY issue? TBs!!
> b) What is featured on the back cover of 6 issues? TBs!! What is
> featured on the back cover of the other 2 issues? Well, one features
> hybridizers of TBs (go figure!), and the other is a collage of 5 TBs, 1
> and 1 SIB.
> c) Now let's look at the running total of the "centerfold" color
> photos for the last eight issues (this includes the color photos on the
> inside front & back covers, but does not include paid advertisements):
> - TBs are featured in 77 color photos (47.5% of total)
> - AR/AB are featured in 19 color photos (11.7% of total - NOTE: 14
> of these photos appeared in one issue of the bulletin accompanying an
> article written by Sharon McAllister)
> - JI are featured in 7 color photos (4.3% of total)
> - SPU are featured in 7 color photos (4.3% of total)
> - LA are featured in 5 color photos (3.1% of total)
> - SPEC are featured in 17 color photos (10.5% of total - NOTE: 9 of
> these photos were of Al McMurtrie's reticulatas, half the remaining photos
> were of irid species, not irises per se)
> - IB are featured in 3 color photos (1.9% of total)
> - BB are featured in 5 color photos (3.1% of total)
> - SDB are featured in 5 color photos (3.1% of total)
> - MTB are featured in 2 color photos (1.2% of total)
> - MDB are featured in 2 color photos (1.2% of total)
> - SIB are featured in 3 color photos (1.9% of total)
> - CA are featured in 2 color photos (1.2% of total)
> - SPEC-X are featured in 1 color photo (0.6% of total)
> - UNKNOWN are featured in 7 color photos (4.3% of total - NOTE: all
> of these were bearded, and most of them were probably TBs, but I just
> couldn't prove it since I don't have the checklists - if TBs, this pushes
> the TB count over the 50% mark!!!)
> d) An extra footnote concerning the above statistics...TBs are the
> only type of iris to appear in every issue of my bulletins.
> e) I'd love to know when the last time was that a NON-TB and/or
> NON-BEARDED iris appeared on the front cover of an AIS bulletin. Would
> anyone care to research that for me?
> (#6) "Kramb's garden is an interesting apparent anomaly, though. No
> question of
> BIG GRIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) (thanks Anner! I think? <G>)
> I know you all think I'm crazy but I don't care. I'm having too much fun
> getting a rise out of the TB-crowd. Not to mention the burr in my
> about having my two favorite iris types (LAs and ABs) being ignored by the
> AIS.....oh, but I keep forgetting, the AIS doesn't care about certain
> PS: I would just like to reiterate: For those of you that don't know me,
> which is 99% of you, this entire message was composed all in good fun.
> I think I do raise some pretty valid points!
> Dennis Kramb; email@example.com
> Cincinnati, Ohio USA; USDA Zone 6; AIS Region 6
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