Re: Re: Popularizing non-TB iris
From: "Earnest Royal" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Dennis, In the April Bulletin 1999. Starting on page 110 is a list of all
the AIS judges if care to count them.
> From: Gerry Snyder <email@example.com>
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: Re: [iris-talk] Re: Popularizing non-TB iris
> Date: Monday, December 06, 1999 10:52 PM
> From: Gerry Snyder <email@example.com>
> Dennis Kramb wrote:
> > From: Dennis Kramb <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > CAUTION: For those of you that don't know me, which is 99% of you,
> > follows is all said in the spirit of good fun. So don't take it
> > personally. However, I think I do raise some pretty valid points!
> To tear down your points, one by one (just in fun)
> > (#1) Judges/Judging, Awards & Medals, etc.:
> > a) Judges are not growing enough arilbreds. This is obvious
> > because only 13 voted for this year's HM winner. Surely more than 13
> > judges can grow arilbreds
> Perhaps some grow ABs and chose not to vote for the winner?
> > (out of 200? 500? 1,000 judges out there?
> > nobody has told me yet how many judges there are).
> This thread started with a comment on the number of judges. Go check it
> out. (Look up Thornbird, a glorious TB.)
> > I'm talking
> > quarterbreds here. C'mon folks, quarterbreds are not THAT fussy. And
> > you can grow them, then you should, IMHO. 15 of you voted for
> > HM, can more people grow these than quarterbreds?!?? Hmmmm????
> Again, it is overly simplistic to compare the number of votes for the
> > b) AIS doesn't care that only 13 voted for this group. I say
> > because nobody else seemed to notice until I mentioned it. And when I
> > mention it, nobody seemed the least bit concerned. How nice to know
> > AIS doesn't care about certain irises!!!
> This is so insulting as not to deserve a reply.
> > c) It's not just arilbreds, but all non-TB groups that are
> > under-represented by judges. The beardless especially seem to be
> > Judges are setting the wrong example if they grow 100's or 1000's of
> > and virtually nothing else. I have no proof that this goes on, but it
> > seems to be what's happening. Apologies in advance if I am wrong! And
> > would I love to be wrong.
> I would love for you to be wrong, too.!
> > (#2) Publishing IRIS-TALK Symposium Results in the AIS Bulletin:
> > ....
> > b) I think the AIS should have an Open Symposium similar to
> > have done here on Iris-Talk. They're sending the wrong message to the
> > masses by sponsoring a TB-only Symposium. (PLEASE REFER TO ABOVE,
> > "How nice to know that AIS doesn't care about certain irises!!!") I am
> > insulted by AIS telling me that my favorite irises are not worthy.
> AIS isn't telling you that.
> > (#3) "Bearded Irises Are The Most Adaptable..."
> > I am sick to death of hearing this! Beardless irises naturally
> > occur on 4 continents. Bearded irises only span 1.5 continents. How
> > that make them more adaptable????????????????????????????????????? It
> > be that new math or something...
> If the same beardless iris occurred on 4 continents your comment would
> be valid. They don't. It isn't.
> > (#4) Shows
> > I don't like 'em. Flowers are more valuable to me for
> > than for winning a ribbon. I'd rather spend the day in the garden
> > daubing than grooming and fussing over something that's going to be
> > soon anyways.
> > (#5) The Great TB Conspiracy!! ....
> Others complain that there is too much space wasted in the Bulletin on
> non-TB junk.
> > .... I keep forgetting, the AIS doesn't care about certain
> > irises!!
> Still not worthy of a reply.
> > PS: I would just like to reiterate: For those of you that don't know
> > which is 99% of you, this entire message was composed all in good fun.
> > I think I do raise some pretty valid points!
> I think I've torn them down pretty well, just in fun.
> Of course, if the comments had been limited to the observation that
> judges, like many other irisarians, should grow a wider variety of
> irises, I would have had to agree.
> Gerry, former Cincinnatian
> Gerry Snyder, AIS Symposium Chair
> Region 15 Ass't RVP, JT Chair
> Member San Fernando Valley, Southern California Iris Societies
> in warm, winterless Los Angeles
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