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Re: Re: Popularizing non-TB iris


From: "Earnest Royal" <royal2@wk.net>

Dennis, In the April Bulletin 1999. Starting on page 110 is a list of all
the AIS judges if care to count them. 

Earnest Royal	
Kirksey, Ky.	
Zone 6/7
royal2@wk.net

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> From: Gerry Snyder <gcsnyd@loop.com>
> To: iris-talk@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [iris-talk] Re: Popularizing non-TB iris
> Date: Monday, December 06, 1999 10:52 PM
> 
> From: Gerry Snyder <gcsnyd@loop.com>
> 
> Dennis Kramb wrote:
> > 
> > From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
> > 
> > CAUTION:  For those of you that don't know me, which is 99% of you,
what
> > follows is all said in the spirit of good fun.  So don't take it
> > personally.  However, I think I do raise some pretty valid points!
> 
> To tear down your points, one by one (just in fun)
> 
> > 
> > (#1) Judges/Judging, Awards & Medals, etc.:
> >         a) Judges are not growing enough arilbreds.  This is obvious
> > because only 13 voted for this year's HM winner.  Surely more than 13
> > judges can grow arilbreds
> 
> Perhaps some grow ABs and chose not to vote for the winner?
> 
> > (out of 200?  500?  1,000 judges out there?
> > nobody has told me yet how many judges there are).
> 
> This thread started with a comment on the number of judges. Go check it
> out. (Look up Thornbird, a glorious TB.)
> 
> >  I'm talking
> > quarterbreds here.  C'mon folks, quarterbreds are not THAT fussy.  And
if
> > you can grow them, then you should, IMHO.  15 of you voted for
Californicae
> > HM, can more people grow these than quarterbreds?!??  Hmmmm????
> 
> Again, it is overly simplistic to compare the number of votes for the
> winner.
> 
> >         b) AIS doesn't care that only 13 voted for this group.  I say
this
> > because nobody else seemed to notice until I mentioned it.  And when I
did
> > mention it, nobody seemed the least bit concerned.  How nice to know
that
> > AIS doesn't care about certain irises!!!
> 
> This is so insulting as not to deserve a reply.
> 
> >         c) It's not just arilbreds, but all non-TB groups that are
> > under-represented by judges.  The beardless especially seem to be
ignored.
> > Judges are setting the wrong example if they grow 100's or 1000's of
TBs
> > and virtually nothing else.  I have no proof that this goes on, but it
> > seems to be what's happening. Apologies in advance if I am wrong!  And
BOY
> > would I love to be wrong.
> 
> I would love for you to be wrong, too.!
> 
> > 
> > (#2) Publishing IRIS-TALK Symposium Results in the AIS Bulletin:
> >         ....
> >         b) I think the AIS should have an Open Symposium similar to
what we
> > have done here on Iris-Talk.  They're sending the wrong message to the
> > masses by sponsoring a TB-only Symposium.  (PLEASE REFER TO ABOVE,
#1-B,
> > "How nice to know that AIS doesn't care about certain irises!!!")  I am
> > insulted by AIS telling me that my favorite irises are not worthy.
> 
> AIS isn't telling you that. 
> 
> > 
> > (#3) "Bearded Irises Are The Most Adaptable..." 
> >         I am sick to death of hearing this!  Beardless irises naturally
> > occur on 4 continents.  Bearded irises only span 1.5 continents.  How
does
> > that make them more adaptable?????????????????????????????????????  It
must
> > be that new math or something...
> 
> If the same beardless iris occurred on 4 continents your comment would
> be valid. They don't. It isn't.
> 
> > 
> > (#4) Shows
> >         I don't like 'em.  Flowers are more valuable to me for
hybridizing
> > than for winning a ribbon.  I'd rather spend the day in the garden
pollen
> > daubing than grooming and fussing over something that's going to be
gone
> > soon anyways.
> 
> So?
> 
> > 
> > (#5) The Great TB Conspiracy!! ....
> 
> Others complain that there is too much space wasted in the Bulletin on
> non-TB junk.
> 
> > .... I keep forgetting, the AIS doesn't care about certain
> > irises!!
> 
> Still not worthy of a reply.
> 
> > 
> > PS: I would just like to reiterate:  For those of you that don't know
me,
> > which is 99% of you, this entire message was composed all in good fun. 
But
> > I think I do raise some pretty valid points!
> 
> I think I've torn them down pretty well, just in fun.
> 
> Of course, if the comments had been limited to the observation that
> judges, like many other irisarians, should grow a wider variety of
> irises, I would have had to agree.
> 
> Gerry, former Cincinnatian
> -- 
> mailto:gcsnyd@loop.com
> Gerry Snyder, AIS Symposium Chair
> Region 15 Ass't RVP, JT Chair
> Member San Fernando Valley, Southern California Iris Societies
> in warm, winterless Los Angeles
> 
> 
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