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RE: REF: Pronounce Species Correctly

I had chimed in rather early in these pronunciation threads with the axiom
that "He who speaks it the loudest has the correct pronunciation." I have
followed these threads with interest, because, oddly enough, correct
pronunciation of scientific names is not strictly an Iris related issue.

I've learned certain rules over the years about pronunciations of fish
names, and do suspect that they conform to scientific names in general.
Tonight, I did a quick Google to see if there were any web sites that may be
of assistance in learning proper pronunciation, without having to type those
rules I have learned for presentation to this group. Now I can simply send
you who are interested in the subject scurrying over to some web resources
which may help to end the discussion or add fuel to the fire <g>.

If you hop over to <http://fishwatch.tripod.com/newsletter/1/news1-4.htm>
you can read an article, "SCIENTIFIC NAMES AND LATINPHOBIA". This mainly
deals with fish names, but rules are rules, and they should follow through
on  to the botanical world.

Then, you can move along to
tm>, "Latin for Gardeners:  a Brief Pronunciation Guide", which deals with
names from a plant world perspective.

Have an enjoyable time reading these articles.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-iris@hort.net [mailto:owner-iris@hort.net]On Behalf Of
Jeffrey Walters
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:20 PM
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: Re: [iris] REF: Pronounce Species Correctly

ChatOWhitehall@aol.com wrote:
I have a suggestion, which is also a favor to request.

I think it would be enormously interesting, and useful, if those who have
studied Latin, or botanical Latin, intensively. . . . would post here the
pronunciation of some Iris species.

 croatica; kashmiriana; kochii; reichenbachii; schachtii; timofejewii;

bloudowii; mandschurica; potaninii; barnumae; bismarkiana; gatesii;

Anner and others,

It should be noted that many of these names are not Latin at all, but names
in various other languages with Latin grammatical endings attached. Is there
a convention that the non-Latin portions of these names should be pronounced
as they normally are in the language from which they are derived? Or should
English speakers pronounce them as they would English words of similar

Setting aside the issue of how to pronounce the terminaI "-ii", is kochii to
be pronounced "kotch" like the former mayor of New York, or something closer
to the original German. Is timofejewii to be pronounced more like
tee-mo-fay-yayv or tim-mo-fuh-jew ?

This doesn't appear to be as simple as it seems.

Jeff Walters
in northern Utah
(USDA Zone 4)
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