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Re: HYB: seed germination

To get any meaningful information on seed germination the experiment would have to have controls. For germination seeds need light - moisture - temputure. You would have to have heating pads for when it is cold, air conditioner when it is hot. A moisture meter and thermometer. Plus a steady light source. Conditions for all seeds should be the same. All pots would have to be checked regularly and charts made. All should be given the same soaking and chill.

All seeds would need to be in a pot by their self and numbered. Any variation would magnify the accuracy of the experiment. This is disregarding the fact that some seeds need different conditions. What are the proper conditions that we would give them for our experiment?

If we have the right conditions we may learn something. If we have the wrong conditions and no germination we learn nothing. We could have something in between.

Will we learn anything meaningful? In my opinion nothing worthwhile.

Babies weak or strong will not take abuse. Plant 40 seeds in a pot and have 60 % germination. The first to germinate will be the strongest plants but not necessarily the strongest plant if all that germinated were given equal conditions to grow. To leave them in the pot for several months thinking the ones that made it are the strongest is unreal.

Isn't the idea to get iris plants to grow. Why go to all the work of getting the seed to try to eliminate as many as you can before they have had a chance to grow. The more seedlings you get to a year old magnifies the odds you will get a good grower. Give the best conditions you can till they are a year old, three would be better. Who can grow that many. After they a year old would be the time to give them the tough conditions. At one year a lot will be able to be rejected. A one year old can take some abuse a baby can not it has no rhizome for backup.

In my experience any thing with less than three increases and good foliage hits the compost bin bloom or not. Different conditions each year can make a difference. Two poor growers crossed can produce a good grower, the odds are just smaller.

I have not been doing this long but I am old so I learn fast. I have been gardening for many years and gardening is taking care of plants. Iris are just plants.

In The land Where Iris Grow
Mike Greenfield

----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Mann" <lmann@volfirst.net>
To: "iris- talk" <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:38 AM
Subject: [iris] HYB: seed germination

I can't find the messages, but recently someone asked or commented about
relevance of timing of seed germination when so many other factors
affect ... something.. survival?  Or maybe keeping track was too

I've been curious about the timing of germination in relation to
survival and bloom time and wasn't able to find out much when I asked
previously, maybe because it is hard to keep track of when individual
seeds germinate, especially when handling a lot of seedlings.

All I was able to find out before is that pinks and plicatas tend to
germinate more "easily" than other crosses.  I don't know if that means
they have higher germination rates? requre less chilling? germinate more
rapidly at lower temperatures (i.e., earlier in the spring) or what.

Also some thoughts that later germinating seeds (later the same year)
might be seedlings that bloom later in the spring.

If you have time and inclination to keep track of such things, I'd be
interested in what you find out.

I've not done much of a job tracking that myself, but am trying to keep
first and second year germinants separated for comparison.

Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
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