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Re: Re: HYB: Germination

Fro me the two crosses that germinated early at 6 and 8 weeks for me were not late bloomers but early rebloomers and those that bloom at normal times (Halston, Rose Princess and a Frank Adams seedling and various seedlings).  and they germinated readily in the refrigerator at 33-35 F.

How that fits into the picture would be hard to say without a serious study of it and many more observations.

I hadn't observed the difficulty of/late germination of late blooming seedlings, but I hadn't been paying attention either.  But then again I don't grow that many late bloomers that I can recall.

I was referencing Immortality and early gemination of it's seedlings because someone else had posted that as I can recall.  I could be wrong.  I remember one of the parents of those Immortality crosses was Celebration Song.  So maybe that parent contributes early germination to its seedlings and not Immortality.

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>Another thing I <think> I have learned this winter is that some (all? 
>most?) late bloomers don't germinate until soil temperatures are much 
>warmer (or warm for a longer time period?) than earlier bloomers.  That 
>hypothesis is based on seeds from three late blooming parents, none of 
>which germinated until night time temperatures were in the mid 60s F and 
>daytime highs near 70.  I've heard that optimum germination temperature 
>for TBs is between 50 and 60oF, and for most of my crosses that has been 
>true.  But not for these late ones.
>Then there was that one seedling that germinated in July....
>I'm surprised at your comment about IMMORTALITY being one that doesn't 
>require a long vernalization period.  For most of the crosses I've made 
>with it, 8 weeks gave little immediate germination - 12 weeks was <much> 
>better.  And keeping them at temperatures that continued to cycle down 
>to 40o at night resulted in a few more seedlings coming up.
>Then there are those crosses that just have poor germination no matter 
>what I do - never am sure if those just didn't have the right conditions 
>in the pod to be healthy seeds or if it was something I did to them or 
>if they just aren't a good genetic match.  I got a note offlist that 
>LADY FRIEND is one of those parents that just doesn't give good 
>germination unless with the right partner.
>Betty, I agree with you 100% on the need to make <sure> germinating 
>seedlings have plenty of moisture.  I'm convinced I lost a lot of 
>seedlings when I was germinating them outdoors before I retired.  Just 
>wasn't taking care of them.
><I had posted earlier a few weeks ago that I had some seeds from a 
>particular cross germinate at 6 weeks after being stored in the 
>refrigerator for a year.  However, this iss apparently only occuring for 
>this one cross and not the others and once all my germination data comes 
>in I'm probably going to propose a theory that the early germination for 
>this particular cross (and other crosses such as with 'Immortality') is 
>genetically controlled.  But really aren't they all?  The norm is really 
>just 12 weeks, some 8, and now I might have a line that is at 6 weeks.
>I have a plan to study the factors of dry storage and immediate 
>germination after vernalization this next year after I obtain enough 
>seed from these particular lines of plants.>
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