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RE: HYB:Rebloomers

Hi Loic

Would you believe that some of your "reliable" rebloomers , that I grow,
have never rebloomed for me. Eg Vic Falls, Blue Suede Shoes. 
Breakers, Honey Glazed, Renown (which I threw away because it was so ugly)
and Low Ho Silver do very occasionally. Forever Blue won't survive in out
hot climate.
Do you mean Candy Walk or Candy Rock? Candy Rock blooms extremely early for
us but has never rebloomed other than the year I imported it when it was
very confused.

Colleen Modra
Adelaide Hills 
South Australia


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-iris@hort.net [mailto:owner-iris@hort.net] On Behalf Of loic
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 5:35 AM
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB:Rebloomers

Hello John,

I have chosen to go for Rebloomers precisely for the reasons you are giving!

I was SO FURIOUS not to see the so-called rebloomers do anything and just
me all the time that i have decided to beat them at their own game!

With the help of the reliable ones, such as Low Ho Silver, Angel Heart,
Forever Blue,  Midsummer's eve, Charabia, What Again, Immortality, Starship,
I'll be Back, I'm Back, Champagne encore, Hot, Frankincense, Cry Baby,
Bliss, Buckweat, Violet Music, Elegant Lass, Rave Review, Altar Fire, Zia
Lenora Pearl, Blessed Again, Concoction, Bonus, Candy walk, Honey Glazed,
Autumn Tangerine, Baby Prince, Bright Eyes, Gypsy Boy, Derive, Best Bet,
Suede Shoes, Breakers, Pink Attraction, Earl of Essex, Renown, Victoria
Banana Cream, Returning Chameleon, Dark Crystal, Cheeky, Over and Over,
Skyking Returns............. i must stop now, but there are so many here!

It will be long, but i'm sure something good will come out of it.
Even if only ONE  of my seedlings makes it and reblooms in zone 3, i'll be

My biggest issue will be the space, they need time to show their talents,
more time in the ground means less space for seedling.
We'll see!

By the way, it also makes me furious, when so-called rebloomers,( in fact
should be called "fall-bloomers" ), refuse to bloom in the spring....but
is another story....


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: John Bruce
  To: iris@hort.net
  Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [iris] HYB:Rebloomers

  I can understand why the general gardening public wants reblooming irises.
  Irises are beautiful, and the "ratty, boring" foliage one has to look at
  summer and fall is easily justified with rebloom. Again, this is speaking
  for the general gardener. I live in an area where rebloom is sparse even
  a good year for it when you do all the right things and the weather
  cooperates. I hear many local folks complain about "supposedly a
  or "never rebloomed for me".
  I wonder how many folks are turned away from non-performing irises because
  they think it is just a marketing ploy or that it requires too much work
  get rebloom? I agree that education about rebloom would counteract much of
  this. It would also help if commercial sellers would not advertise
  everything that reblooms in sunny southern California as a rebloomer,
  because that is a unique climate.

  As a Zone 5 garden and seller of irises I can truthfully say I NEVER list
  anything as a rebloomer. Why? Because I owe it to my customer to deliver
  what is advertised. If I can't count on something to perform for me, I can
  not make a promise to my customer that it will do so for them.

  I am not at all against rebloom. However, as a person who attempts to
  hybridize, I never focus on rebloom. Space is limited, I can't really test
  for the trait in my seedlings, and so I make crosses with my preferences
  form, vigor and color in mind. If a reblooming parent gets in there it is
  fine, but I never select a parent for that trait. I introduced BLACKMAIL
  last year. It has never even attempted to put up a rebloom stalk for me in
  the 8 years that it was grown here, but a piece that was sent to
  sent up a fall stalk. I still would never list it as a rbloomer.

  Betty W. lives about 3 hours or so due south of me, and frost hits there
  about 3 weeks after it does here. It does get cold where she is, but the
  length of season allows her to work with rebloom. Irises may indeed need
  move in the direction of rebloom to remain relevant to more than just
  collectors, but keep in mind that there is still about 25% of the
  and population who live where a ***LOT*** of work will have to be done to
  make REbloom a relevant feature in irises :)

  No feathers ruffled, just a different perspective.
  John Bruce

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