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Re: Halston

Finally!  A question about Halston!  And has also shed some light on an error
I made.

Barb asked me about Halston below.

Well, since I am hardly an expert on IB's or MTB's I'll compare it to the AIS
Judges Handbook and see how it measures up.

Based on the Handbook and the Adamgrove catalog I'll stand corrected.  It is
officially classified as a an IB.  It has always behaved uniformly for me.. as
n IB.  However, the IB classification encompasses a very broad range of
variables and plants with all kinds of backrounds.

In my opinion it was registered as an IB because it fit into that
classifiction, but I think it should have been EVALUATED as an imporperly
proportioned MTB.  The stalks are thin but too short.  The flowers are broader
and more square/blocky than what is "desired" in MTB's.  I tend to think of
plants based on their genetic disposition.  Halston has a fair amount of I.
aphylla in it, has the lower branch emerging from the base and is a fertile
tetraploid.  So hence my thinking of it as a MTB.  That was my intention in
it's use and remains so.  While in my early Iris education I learned MOST IB's
are crosses between SDB's and TB's, somewhat similar to the Aril 1/4 bred's
and their lineage and variable genetic makeup.

Based on it's breeding behavior though when crossed with TB's it has produced,
IB's, Border Beardeds and short TB's.  No MTB's at all.  None in the second
generation either.  So it is an IB genetically as well after all.

Hence we learn and adjust.  But I'm not changing my plans with its use.

Paul Archer
Raleigh, NC  Zone 8

-----Original Message-----
>From: Barb Johnson <barbjohnson_62@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 18, 2008 7:21 PM
>To: Paul Archer <pharcher@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Halston
>HI Paul,
>Eric Tankesley-Clark introduced HALSTON as an IB. I am curious to know,
>since I don't have it, does it look or act like an MTB in your garden? I
>have a historic TB named AMIGO which has thin stalks and small flowers like
>an MTB.  Just wondering...
>-- Barb
>Barb Johnson         mailto:barbjohnson_62@hotmail.com
>Near Springfield, SW Missouri USA
>USDA Zone 5b         AIS Region 18 (KS & MO)
>Learn the natural way to health at: http://chetday.com
>American Iris Society website: http://www.irises.org
>iris-talk/Mallorn archives: http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/
>iris-photos/Mallorn archives: http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/
>AIS Checklist Data: http://www.irisregister.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Archer" <pharcher@mindspring.com>
>To: <iris@hort.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [iris] Suggestions for best purple based foliage TB's
>| My strongest PBF is 'Blackbeard', second would be one of its parents
>'Codicil'.  'Pure As Gold' is strongly purple but not the best grower for me
>(or rebloomer).  'Golden Immortal' has moderate PBF for me and rebloooms
>some and has given some seedlings with intense PBF bases and up the blade
>when the other parent had none.  'Purple Pepper' is good for PBF as well
>although moderate vigor though, but has produced some vigorous seedlings.
>'Witch of Endor' has good PBF but hasn't bloomed (or rebloomed) much for me
>for various reason in my error.
>| 'Halston' is a vigorous MTB Spring rebloomer with purple spathes as well
>and more modern flowers for a MTB.  It has strong PBF and passes on its
>purple spathes well.  I would only suggest you make sure to pair it with a
>parent that has exceptional ruffling or petal substance (as it has neither)
>and it's children 99% of the time tend to resemble it strongly in form.  It
>can produce whites, plicatas and lycopene pinks as well.
>| Paul Archer
>| Raleigh, NC  Zone 8
>| -----Original Message-----
>| >From: thomas silvers <tesilvers@yahoo.com>
>| >Sent: Feb 13, 2008 12:54 PM
>| >To: iris-talk <iris@hort.net>
>| >Subject: [iris] Suggestions for best purple based foliage TB's
>| >
>| >I just got to thinking about PBF (purple based
>| >foliage) irises again, and like at least a few other
>| >hybridizers, I'd like to increase the expression of
>| >that trait.
>| >My diploid PBF lines are moving along, but I need
>| >recommendations for tetraploid Tall Beardeds.
>| >I've got HONKY TONK BLUES, which has a pretty good
>| >amount of purple at the leaf bases. I've also got
>| >TENNESSEE GENTLEMAN which although not very strongly
>| >PBF pigmented, has purple pigmentation on the
>| >flowerstalks and seedpods. I've read that ELSA SASS is
>| >another good PBF iris.
>| >
>| >So, what would be your most intense PBF Tall
>| >Bearded???
>| >
>| >Thanks in advance for any suggestions, Tom
>| >
>| >
>| >
>| >Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
>| >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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