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Re: Cult: Info about the Adam & Eve Theory

Thank you Bob,
 That was sort of my understanding after reading Classic Iris by Mahan. P 3
& p 9 & p 74, that Iris squalens and Iris sambucina have now been decided to
not be a separate species. That De Bure was correct in the first place.

This same speaker included these in her talk as species, and that's why I
begin to question some of what she was telling us and where she got her info
 She seemed to indicate that most of it came from the historical society
articles.  I just never had read or surmised from all my info from
historical society the same conclusions she did.

I know it is very complicated to a novice like myself that has limited
knowledge of botany, but I can see where the terms amoena, pallida, neglecta
&  variegate got carried over into common patterns. I don't ever hear or
read that people refer to things as squalens or sambuicna as patterns.

I'm trying to edit for our newsletter some of her talk but was having
trouble putting in something that I didn't understand myself, much less
people that are just beginning. So I just wanted to quietly leave out
anything that was questionable and not fact or so intricate that you need a
botany decree to understand.

Linda in CW AZ
-------Original Message-------

From: Robt R Pries
Date: 02/27/08 09:42:52
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: Re: [iris] Cult: Info

Linda: Iris variegata and Iris pallida were indeed the
species creating the early tall-bearded iris. In
nature crosses occured before the time that man had
learned about crossing. Some of these hybrids that
occured in nature were first thought to be separate
species. They were given botanical names such as Iris
amoena, Iris squalens, etc. later after mankind
learned how to hybridize it was recognized that mother
nature had been up to hybridizing also and these names
were then changed to Iris x amoena, etc. The next step
was the introduction of species that were tetraploid
such as Iris trojana to the pallida/variegata hybrids.
After tetraploids were being created Iris pumila was
crossed with these tetraploid tall beardeds and
produced SDBs. The SDBs then crossed back to the
tetraploid TBs produced IBs. Although other crosses
occured along the way they did not contribute
substantially to IBs.
--- Linda Smith <irisgrower@cableone.net> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> Can anyone tell me if the falling  statements are in
> the ball park of being
> correct in a simplified manner.
> We had a speaker that shared this. I'm confused.
> the Adam & Eve irises; the I. pallida (tall) and
> I. variegata, (short)
> first wild iris species some of which dated back as
> far as the 1500s.
> how the I. pallida and the I. variegata were
> crossed, by bees resulting in
> all new patterns and colors; the plicata , the
> amoena, the bitones, and new
> selfs. These were later called natural hybrids.
> The siblings were then back crossed with the parents
> to get even more
> variations.
> Hybridizers then started crossing the short wild
> irises with the tall
> bearded wild irises and from this the hybrid
> intermediate irises of today
> came about.
> Linda in CW AZ
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