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RE: Decadence
  • Subject: RE: Decadence
  • From: "Char Holte" <cholte@wi.rr.com>
  • Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:49:30 -0600

I agree with Tom's evaluation.  All the way!  We have two small hybridizers
here in my area who do formidable work but get little recognition.  I can't
tell you how great their work is but if you see their work you know right
away they know what they are doing.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-iris@hort.net [mailto:owner-iris@hort.net] On Behalf Of
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 11:22 AM
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: Re: [iris] Decadence

Hi Tom,
Your suggestions make a lot of sense.
Dorothy Willott
In a message dated 1/8/2012 9:43:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
irises@telp.com writes:

> So,  I'll go back to my previous question, why does any iris with obvious
>  problems climb the award ladder? 

Hi Dana. It's long been my opinion  that the single greatest problem with 
the awards system is that it simply  *counts* the number of judges who vote 
for an iris, rather than capturing  the average assessment of all judges 
are familiar with the iris.  Suppose an iris is evaluated by 100 judges in 
different regions, all of  whom are impressed enough to vote for it. Now 
suppose another iris is  evaluated by 500 judges around the country, and 
400 of them it does  not do well at all. But for the remaining 100 (who 
perhaps live in the  similar climate conditions), it is impressive enough 
vote for. These  are two very different things, but the two irises will 
receive 100  votes and be treated the same by the awards system. Irises 
by popular  hybridizers have a big advantage, and not just because of 
"politics", but  because the irises from popular hybridizers are grown by 
more people, and  an iris grown by a large number will get more votes than 
an iris grown by  only a few, even if just a fraction of those growing it 
actually rate it  highly.

I would prefer a system where judges rated each iris on a scale  (1 to 5, 
say), and awards given to irises with the highest average rating  from the 
judges who actually evaluated that iris. This would address so  many 
problems, and it could be easily tweaked to achieve other worthy  goals, 
such as requiring a high average rating from judges in different  climate 

Tom Waters   

Telperion Oasis ~  www.telp.com/irises    

Cuyamungue, New Mexico, USA (zone  5/6)   

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