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Re: Decadence
  • Subject: Re: Decadence
  • From: "Dave Silverberg" <sil1812@molalla.net>
  • Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 12:17:19 -0800

Put their names out on iris-talk and if they are as good as you say they are then this is an easy way for them to gain some recognition. Give us the names of their intros so that we can see for ourselves.

Dave Silverberg

----- Original Message ----- From: "Char Holte" <cholte@wi.rr.com>
To: <iris@hort.net>; <iris-photos@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: [iris] Decadence

I agree with Tom's evaluation. All the way! We have two small hybridizers here in my area who do formidable work but get little recognition. I can't
tell you how great their work is but if you see their work you know right
away they know what they are doing.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-iris@hort.net [mailto:owner-iris@hort.net] On Behalf Of
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 11:22 AM
To: iris@hort.net
Subject: Re: [iris] Decadence

Hi Tom,

Your suggestions make a lot of sense.

Dorothy Willott

In a message dated 1/8/2012 9:43:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
irises@telp.com writes:

So,  I'll go back to my previous question, why does any iris with obvious
 problems climb the award ladder?

Hi Dana. It's long been my opinion  that the single greatest problem with
the awards system is that it simply *counts* the number of judges who vote
for an iris, rather than capturing  the average assessment of all judges
are familiar with the iris.  Suppose an iris is evaluated by 100 judges in
different regions, all of  whom are impressed enough to vote for it. Now
suppose another iris is  evaluated by 500 judges around the country, and
400 of them it does  not do well at all. But for the remaining 100 (who
perhaps live in the  similar climate conditions), it is impressive enough
vote for. These  are two very different things, but the two irises will
receive 100  votes and be treated the same by the awards system. Irises
by popular  hybridizers have a big advantage, and not just because of
"politics", but  because the irises from popular hybridizers are grown by
more people, and  an iris grown by a large number will get more votes than
an iris grown by  only a few, even if just a fraction of those growing it
actually rate it  highly.

I would prefer a system where judges rated each iris on a scale  (1 to 5,
say), and awards given to irises with the highest average rating  from the
judges who actually evaluated that iris. This would address so  many
problems, and it could be easily tweaked to achieve other worthy  goals,
such as requiring a high average rating from judges in different  climate

Tom Waters

Telperion Oasis ~  www.telp.com/irises

Cuyamungue, New Mexico, USA (zone  5/6)

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