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Re: Re: HYB: getting started


One important thing to try an learn is to understand the fact that the 
blue/purple/rose (anthocyanins) colours have completely different genetic 
control from the yellow/orange/pink (Xanthines) colours. So when you look at 
Sweet Musette try to see one iris that is pink all over and another that has 
white standards (with a touch of purple in the midribs) and purple falls and 
then overlay them in your mind.
Also when you see red (such as War Sails) try to imagine a rose colour 
overlaid with yellow. It's not a bad idea to get some colour transparencies 
and draw a identical iris outline on each and colour one with 
blue/purple/rose pattern and then overlay it with the other which will have 
a yellow/pink/orange pattern on it. For example in the photo of Brown Lasso 
I've attached it's fairly easy to see that the yellow pattern is yellow 
standards and falls that are white with a yellow edge (similar to 
Eastertime) and the purple pattern is white standards and purple falls. So 
if you crossed Eastertime with Thriller (plain purple) you could get a range 
of purple/browns/ yellows but also some would have brown standards and 
purple falls with brown edges. Eastertime pattern overlaid on plain purple.
Remember that the two sets of colour pattern have a number of factors 
affecting them and not all colours/patterns may be passed on.  A friend once 
crossed Lady Friend (reddish brown) with Chinese Empress (white stds, purple 
falls), one seedling from the cross had yellow stds and red falls and the 
other was a bluish purple. Think about it!

Have fun

Colleen Modra
Adelaide Hills
South Australia


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Mann" <lmann@lock-net.com>
To: "iris- talk" <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 10:08 PM
Subject: [iris] Re: HYB: getting started

> Judging the potential of parents remains a huge challenge for me as far
> as plant traits go, and I have yet to find a good way to learn much.
> There are quite a few posts here about surprises concerning parents &
> offspring, expecting better than we get or vice versa.
> Important to think about "potential" of parents for what goal?
> Most available info on the subject is about flower pattern and color.
> Looks like you have "potential" for every color of the rainbow in many
> different patterns.
> In this forum, there has been quite a bit about rebloom potential &
> growth rate when the plant is happy, occasional tidbits about heredity
> of flower form, substance, branching, height, bud count, very little on
> height, bloom size, 'strength', uniformity of seedlings, ease of
> germination etc etc..
> One thing that I've gotten better at over time is learning how to really
> 'see' the plants I'm considering using as parents.  This group has been
> a big help there.  I don't have one, but the judges' handbook might be a
> helpful tool.
> Some things to think about - many of the plants you have now are award
> winners, so I guess they have <potential> to produce quality branching,
> bud count, show stalks, increase well etc, and presumably do reasonably
> well in your growing conditions.
> Without knowing what you want to see in your seedlings, it's hard to say
> which crosses to try, so here's my suggestion - watch them grow this
> fall, see how they do over the winter, pick the 'best' performers in
> your growing conditions, or the ones you like the most, or the colors
> you like most, and try as many crosses as you have time & energy.  Think
> about flower traits, learn how to 'see' what the plant has to offer.
> Compare stalks, bud placement, substance, flower form, anything and
> everything and see if there is something 'missing' or less than
> perfection to you in one parent that you can improve by crossing it with
> another.
> That's a bunch of vague generalities that probably isn't much use to
> you.  I've never used any of those cultivars here, so don't know
> anything about what traits they pass along that are good. WAR SAILS,
> ACOMA, EASTER TIME and HONKY TONK rotted for me.  Took three tries, but
> now SWEET MUSETTE is doing ok, haven't tried PLANNED TREASURE or
> <  I don't have a specific goal right now other than learning the
> process and how to judge the
>                        potential of parents. >
> --
> Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
> East Tennessee Iris Society <http://www.korrnet.org/etis>
> American Iris Society web site <http://www.irises.org>
> talk archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/>
> photos archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/>
> online R&I <http://www.irisregister.com>
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