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Re: Re: CULT: Vinegar-based herbicides

  • Subject: Re: [iris-talk] Re: CULT: Vinegar-based herbicides
  • From: Sandra Barss <barsssa@mb.sympatico.ca>
  • Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:34:32 -0700

How would this product affect the soil PH in the long term ?  I mostly
Roundup as a quick way to kill off grass when I need a new iris bed.  If
product lingers in the soil, I would have some pretty unhappy irises if
acidizes the bed.


"McCullough, Greg" wrote:

> I'll give this a shot, but just remember that I'm the chief FINANCIAL
> officer. Our scientists are, of course, more knowledgeable, but sadly
> not
> iris fans and are not on this list. Our current Weed and Grass killer
> has 2%
> Eugenol, 2% Thyme Oil and 1% Sodium Laurel Sulfate (a surfactant) as
> active
> ingredients. The label has the precautionary statement that "Causes
> substantial but temporary eye injury" but this is related to the
> acetic acid
> (vinegar) in the product.
> A bit of history, our company was started based on an observation that
> certain grocery store fragrances and oils caused insects to die. Our
> research over the past 10 years led to the discovery that certain
> food-grade
> plant oils (all registered with the FDA as Generally Recognized As
> Safe) had
> a chemical structure was almost identical to that of an insects
> primary
> neurotransmitter, octopamine. However, the nerve receptors favor the
> plant
> oils over the octopamine, blinding over the receptors and causing the
> insects vital functions to shut down resulting in very rapid death.
> Of
> course it also makes an excellent repellant because the closer an
> insect
> comes to the product the more it disrupts the nervous system. They
> also
> can't develop a resistance to it as that would entail growing a new
> nervous
> system.
> Our early tests of our insecticide in greenhouse and field tests were
> highly
> effective with just one drawback, it also killed all the plants within
> hours
> of spraying the insects. And not just killed the plant, but burned it
> down
> to a blackened powder in 8-10 hours. Turns our that certain mixtures
> cause
> the cell walls of plants to explode.
> We are marketing a retail line of products and a professional line and
> our
> research department has a pipeline full of products and refinements of
> existing products. Our retail products have the Good Housekeeping
> Seal.
> We're pretty excited about all this.....
> Greg McCullough
> Iris City Gardens
> www.iriscitygardens.com
> Primm Springs, TN USA (just southwest of Nashville)
> zone 6
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Greenfield [mailto:redear@infinet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:50 PM
> To: iris-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [iris-talk] Re: CULT: Vinegar-based herbicides
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "McCullough, Greg" <icity@msn.com>
> To: <iris-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:53 AM
> Subject: RE: [iris-talk] Re: CULT: Vinegar-based herbicides
> > ingredient, Eugenol, is clove oil.  Somehow this one is really
> I am a printer by trade 40+ years and we use Eugenol to keep the ink
> from
> drying when the press is down and other times. The dentist also puts
> this in
> the cavity before filling a tooth and other things. Eugenol has been
> for
> years been used for toothach medicine, creates a numbing effect.
> This is to warn that Eugenol can be dangerous if not used safely. I am
> refering to full strength. It can burn a blister on tender skin.  One
> of my
> coworkers got some in his eye and had a blister and lots of pain. It
> is not
> eazy to remove when you get it on you. Soap and water doesnot do it
> waterless hand cleaner works better.
> I am wondering what percentage is used in these sprays.
> Maybe it is not enough to cause problems.
> Mike Greenfield
> redear@infinet.com
> SW Ohio Zone 5b
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