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Re: Re: HYB: Substance

I don't know if it was my mention of texture that you were referring to, but
when I mentioned texture I was not referring to an iris I had listed as 
excellent substance.  I was questioning how to rate an iris that had 
that plush
look to it, like Copatonic.  The ones I listed Fjord, Lace Legacy and 
Orinoco Flow
all meet both your and Donald's definition of substance, but they do 
have a thick,waxy
feel to them.  While ones like Copatonic and possibily Louisa's Song (I 
don't grow
Louisa's Song, but I am assuming it is a lot like About Town), would 
probably meet
the definition you and Donald are using, but sometimes in this type of 
iris the
petals hold up in heavy rains, but they lose some of the color. I have 
to say that
this is not the case with Copatonic, the color is holding up extremely 
well, even
after that day last week when it hailed three times.  I think World 
Premier is
more of an iris with a plush texture, whose petals hold up but the color 

Does anyone know what I am referring to...and if it isn't called 
substance is there
a name for it ?


I am now regretting I didn't take photos after that hail day...to 

Linda Mann wrote:

>I hate to post a 'me too', but was surprised to hear mention of texture
>as a criterion for substance.  I'm with Donald on this one - blooms that
>break rather than flop, blooms that last several days in the heat or dry
>wind.  I think of poor substance as something that acts like a sheet of
>tissue versus good substance that acts like stiff paper.  But not too
>There's another aspect to this that I've noticed here.  Some blooms (my
>orange small flowered tall seedling, for example) have what seems to be
>nice substance, but tend to shatter in heavy rain.  They seem to be
>stiff enough but the cells don't hold together in rain.  Individual
>blooms wind up looking shredded.  The standards are much more prone to
>this than falls.  I'm not sure, but I think this is more common among
>blooms that have slightly more upright, rather than arched standards.
>So I prefer substance that is pliable enough not to shatter, but stiff
>enough to hold up in heat and wind.
>>I'm curious what criteria are being used to determine substance.>
>                  < For me it's measured against wind and hot
>temperatures.  Those without
>                   substance tend to bruise quickly and then start
>melting in the heat and
>                   wind.  They lose their form pretty quick. The best of
>those with a lot of
>                   substance don't bruise and retain the bloom form in
>the heat.  In high
>                   winds, the really good ones actually have a fall or
>standard simply break
>                   off in a clean line - or if there is enough wind
>simply pull the whole stalk
>                   over and still hold the bloom form undamaged.
>                   There is a lot in between the extremes of no
>substance and lots of
>                   substance.                   Donald Eaves  Texas Zone
>7b, USA>
>Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
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