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Re: Re: HYB: older seedlings, rebloom

In my garden, Immortality and several of the other "summer" bloomers are scheduled for a major and permanent move early this summer.? The bed will probably hold both summer & fall bloomers.? I'd already planned an experiment to see if certain cycle bloomers could be tempted to bloom in the summer or earlier fall.? Three rows per 50 foot bed.? All will have the same treatment with the exception of any baskets or whatever placed over select clumps.? Should be interesting.? 

Of course, the seedlings will be the most interesting (to me.)? Some exciting things blooming this spring.? All types of combinations.? I'll be happy to keep good records and pass on the information.??

With some future experiments. . . I'd like to try planting the strongest 4-8 from each cross in a special bed to see if the strongest truly do tend to be rebloomers.? I can state that they are from previous crosses, but without records it's only hearsay.??There are also rebloomers among the weak and slow to increase, so plant vigor is not the only indicator of rebloom, although it may be the only rebloom we choose to encourage.? 

With Lunar Whitewash x Romantic Evening,? I planted 56 plants, but only ONE had a really strong root system.? It was showing a stalk when the freeze hit.? It turned nasty for most of last summer but now looks great.? I'm curious to see if it's a rebloomer.? 

Is there any proof that strong and ugly are genetically linked?? <vbg>? 

Everyone get your note pads and pens ready!? 

One area of research that you could help with, is "What are the biological triggers for rebloom on Immortality" This would appear to relate to how summer bloomers like Immortality is different from fall cyclic bloomers and from Daylight Independent rebloomers like Forever Blue and children
Betty W/zone 6/KY

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Subject: [iris] Re: HYB: older seedlings, rebloom

One area of research that you could help with, is "What are the biological triggers for rebloom on Immortality" This would appear to relate to how summer bloomers like Immortality is different from fall cyclic bloomers and from Daylight Independent rebloomers like Forever Blue and children.?
For me , I have noted that summer bloom on Immortality would seem to occur 14 days +/- (time from flowering initiation to bloomstalks maturity)from time minimum night temperature goes above 13c ( +/- 3C)( 55F +/- 5F) for several days in a row. No night light. So there are a few tests that can be done, and a few measurement can be taken. This is referred to fact finding, which is a preliminary to actually doing research. Seeking out or narrowing of hypothesis.?
1) Covering up one or several clumps of Immortality at night to reduce night light effects. A bucket, 5 gal pail or garbage bucket would work. Then compare rebloom with clumps exposed to extended lights. Security light or a supplemental light., or both.?
2) Keep track of number of mature leaves on rhizomes in clump. Maturity is suppose to be around 6-7 mature leaves. Does Immortality rebloom 14 +/- after maturity, or does it sit for awhile waiting fr some other signal. For me it appears to sit around waiting for another signal, seemingly increase in min night temperature.?
3) keep track of Min/max temp at you own garden with a min/max thermometer. Keep daily records.?
I suspect Immortality goes into heat dormancy when Max temp goes above about 102F. (+/- 3F) (probably after 2-3 days of this high temp) So min/max would also give us that information. It could be a stop in bloomstalk production, but more likely a halt in growth. So we could possibly see a starting bloomstalk that stops growing until temperatures cool down.?
Fertilizing and water would certainly have an effect on growth, but the best method of measuring this would be number of mature leaves on plant. This also takes into consideration of growth rate with ambient temperature and amount of light. All of that are difficult to measure, and indirectly related to bloom, except through plant maturity, of which leaf count is best measure.?
Then of courses is the seedling information. Fall cyclic X fall cyclic , what number and type of seedlings. Relationship of plant vigour and speed of maturity of rhizome, corelated with rebloom.?
Same with Summer rebloomers X summer rebloomers?
and Summer rebloomers X Fall cyclic rebloomers.?
Of course there are also many other experiments, but these would seem to be the easiest to get data on in home garden.?
Chuck Chapman?
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We need some guide lines for collecting empirical data.??
What about variables?? Unlike a lab, it would be impossible to standardize the various gardens.? As the crow flies, I'm five miles or so from my Alvaton garden. (1980's & early 1990's) and I've several irises that grew there but don't here and the reverse.??
Currently, I'm in farm country.? My garden is a?former pasture, a wide open field with a southern slope.??Tilted just slightly to the west.? No trees or shade of any type.? I'm on a creek bank, in fact, I'm in a loop of the creek.? I get a lot of fog and dew.?? We know I have a security light.??
I can record fertilizer etc.. but only in general terms as hand application is variable.? Can record timing sequence on soaker hoses etc..?
I keep a garden journal with the high/low temps given by our local (20 miles) weather station, and a rough estimate of rainfall.? The temps are a degree or two off at times given the difference is local.???
?Clearly, the types of rebloomers used would factor into the situation, with good hybridizing records.??
Is it doable?? Would people be interested in contributing???
<<So far we have a lot of theories,?
next step is to get some imperical evidence, and put theories to test.>>?
Betty W/KY/Zone 6.??
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