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Re: Re: CULT: TB Argus Pheasant

Jeff, You are right about the spot or it could have just been the age of the bloom. The bloom was withered the next morning after I wrote the previous response. You can bet that I will be watching that next year. I think I will have several bloom stalks next year because I have 6 nice size increase and I think that it is going to take 2 years for an increase to bloom. I am beginning to think that there may not be anybody that knows for sure if the really old ones are correct. As far as Coralie it has the form of a turn of the 19th century iris yet it won the Dykes in 1933. I am basing this on the photo on HIPS and that has been verified by someone who is certain they know. My Coralie has the form of a 1930's iris so it cannot be right. It has the form of Cardinal and Dauntless. Another thing that makes it really hard for me is that what is described as red and even looks at least maroon on the HIPS photos is just not that reddish in my climate and soil. I am pretty sure
 that what ever I have as Coralie, Dauntless and Cardinal are being passed with mixed up names and everyone is just as honest as they can be in thinking that they know what their iris is. Lee Mincy

Jeffrey Walters <jeffwiris@yahoo.com> wrote:  Lee,

My ARGUS PHEASANT resembles the ones in photos 3 and 4
(the two on the right) in the HIPS photo gallery. The
two photos on the left are much more "coppery" than
anything I have seen in AP, which is more of a tobacco
leaf brown. As for the white spot, it is probably a
weather-related or growth effect, not an inherent
characteritic of the bloom. I have never noticed
anything like it on my AP. This cultivar is
particularly noted for its smooth, even, unblemished

As for CORALIE and ROSY WINGS, since they are both
blends, they may well tend to be somewhat variable in
color depending on environmental conditions.

--- Lee Mincy wrote:

> Jeff, This is the first year that Argus P. has
> bloomed for me. It has a very tall bloom stalk and
> I think it had 4 very large blooms that opened one
> at a time. I planted one nice sized rhizome on July
> 16, 2005. I thought that I planted it in 2006 but I
> was wrong. The last bloom is open now and is past
> its peak. After this came up about the PBF was the
> first time I had looked for it. I have studied the
> photos on HIPS. It does look like the last three but
> number one does not look like what I have. On this
> last very mature bloom there is almost a small white
> or maybe silver spot on the falls just under the
> beards. I can not find that on any of the photos on
> HIPS. If yours blooms this year would you check a
> mature bloom and see if this is present on yours. I
> did not notice it on the first three blooms that
> opened but I was not looking for it. It was only
> after a doubt has taken over my thinking that I
> checked every part of this last bloom. I have a
> complete set of Dykes
> metal winners minus Copper Lustre and the winner
> the last two years. My goal is to verify them all
> but I have not got around to AP yet. This is proving
> to be much harder that I thought it would be. I have
> Coralie from two sources and they are the same but I
> think that they are wrong. I have two Rosy Wings and
> they look very close and even bloom at the same time
> but I don't think they are exactly the same. I don't
> know about Vanity and Pink Taffeta because there are
> a lot of pink iris with red beards. Thanks for the
> advice. I have not given up on my AP but I do have
> doubt. Lee Mincy
> Jeffrey Walters wrote: Lee,
> Given the variability of expression of pbf that
> occurs
> in many irises, I don't think that your observation
> of
> a faint trace of it on the leaves of your ARGUS
> PHEASANT could be considered positive proof that it
> was mislabelled, especially since an unusually high
> percentage of Fred DeForest's introductions do show
> pbf, so the genes for it must have been very widely
> distributed in his breeding lines.
> My advice would be that you study all the
> characteristics of your AP, particularly when it
> blooms for you, to determine if you have the genuine
> article. Incidentally, for me at least, AP proved to
> be a particularly weak grower with scant increase
> and
> undependable bloom, although it has one of the most
> attractively toned blooms of any of the brown irises
> I have grown.
> --- Lee Mincy wrote:
> > Jeff, Do you think that my climate may be the
> reason
> > mine shows just a trace of PBF or can I be certain
> > that I am growing an unknown? I am sure when I
> > received the rhizome last July that it did not
> have
> > PBF. It was only after reading this that I went to
> > check it and could just make out the PBF. Nobody
> > with just a casual look would see it but if you
> look
> > closely it is there, but just a trace. I am sure
> it
> > will be gone by summer. If it is not correct then
> > the commercial grower is selling an incorrect
> iris.
> > I believe they sent me what they are growing as
> AP.
> > Lee Mincy 
> Jeff Walters
> in northern Utah
> (USDA Zone 4)
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