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Re: Cotton farmers and iris gardeners

From: Denise Stewart <stewartd@proaxis.com>

Mike here in OR we have all the same regulations and it does seem strange
as I can wear nothing (no pun intended just the truth) while workers must
look like space people...also I live in farm country so I'm surrounded on 3
sides by huge fields that are allowed to still burn the fields until the
year 2000, but after watching the field next to me, he is the most into the
most up to date and all, he has been using a pre emgerment for 3 years now,
and I started using it right after HAND weeding and am getting way less
weeds, it is not PREEM, too expensive, this is another chemical does 100%
better and goes alot further...but from here on out the pre emgerent will
be used in the display garden, not in the veggie, alto this product is
listed to KILL purslane, which until the floods of 95-96 we had very little
of and now tons of it....OK I'll get off my soap box.  Thanks Denise

At 07:27 AM 9/3/98 -0700, you wrote:
>From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
>Hi Dana,
>Out here in heavily, heavily regulated CA.  we come under heavy, heavy
>scrutiny.  All our applicators look like space men!  This is of course for
>every known herbicide/pesticide application.  It is somewhat humorous to see
>the guys on the spray rig wearing white plastic suits, black rubber boots,
>black rubber gloves, helmet and respirator applying roundup.  (overkill!)
>Anyone who applies chemicals has to go through much training before being
>allowed to apply.  If the farmer allows anyone to apply without the
>protective equipment or training, he/she is subject to large fines and a
>lengthy investigation into all aspects of their operation, somewhat like an
>IRS audit.  It looks like your state is on the other end of the spectrum.
>It seems to me that a happy medium is in order (you can never find a good
>happy medium, they are always busy).  The funny thing about the whole
>process is that, I as a grower/owner along with my parents or anyone in my
>or their immediate family can apply anything with no protective covering.
>In other words we can poison ourselves and die and not have to worry about a
>fine or investigation!? I guess if you are dead it wouldn't matter anyway.
>:-)  Oh well you work with what you have.
>    There is a large cotton farm across the street and I have been watching
>him this year.  He sprays one pre-emergent and applies fertilizer twice.
>Last year he defoliated with a sea-salt solution.  The pre-emergent is done
>on the ground, the fertilizer and defoliation were done by helicopter.  The
>rest of the season he cultivated in the rows for weeds.  I have copied his
>methods minus the defoliation!  Cultivation with one pre-emergent seems to
>be the answer unless there is a lot of rain.  That's what works for us
>anyway.  I thought I might add my observations to the brew.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dana Brown <ddbro@llano.net>
>To: iris-talk@onelist.com <iris-talk@onelist.com>
>Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:46 PM
>Subject: [iris-talk] Re: Cotton farmers and iris gardeners
>>From: Dana Brown <ddbro@llano.net>
>>> Commercial operations are under the scrutiny of regulators and by law use
>>> most herbicides and pesticides at significantly lower concentrations than
>>> those recommended on the labels of the same products sold to the home
>>> gardener. The herbicides and pesticides are usually applied by trained
>>> personnel who take every safety precaution (respirators, etc.).
>> While this may be true where you are, down here where cotton is king
>>most chemicals are applied in one of two ways. #1 By crop dusters, who
>>are about as far from careful as you can get.  Many are the trees,
>>flowers and critters damaged by their overspraying.  It is not at all
>>unusual to have to wash your windshield to get the spray off after some
>>crop duster has buzzed over your head while you were driving on a major
>>highway! This includes their use of defoliants!! Just a few years ago a
>>friends goat herd was "accidently" sprayed by one of these
>>professionals.  Not only did he spray most of the goat herd but they
>>also sprayed to pregnant mares (who lost their foals as a direct result)
>>but he also sprayed my friend as she stood out there screaming at him on
>>his THIRD pass over her property.  Her lungs have not recovered and per
>>her doctor they never will.  #2 Is those cute little machines that are
>>driven/pulled down through the rows with people sitting out on the wings
>>and spraying.  I know from personal experience that the people handling
>>the spray wands are usually teenagers wearing no masks, gloves or any
>>other type of protection and who have had about as much training in the
>>proper use of herbicides as my dog has.  He knows not to dig up and iris
>>and they know not to spray a cotton plant.  According to the boys who
>>help me weed that was the extent of their training.
>>Dana Brown, Lubbock, Texas  Zone 7 Usda, Zone 10 Sunset
>>Average:   rainfall of 17.76", wind speed of 12.5 mph, 164 days
>>of clear weather, 96 of which dip below freezing.
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