Re: Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4, 2005 as Ty. kumingense T-106

Dear Tom,
 
This message was a part of my yesterday's correspondence with Alan on Pinellias and Typhoniums.
We were talking about the purple spathed, lanceolate leafed form of Pinellia ternata,
The images I attached were this plant.
 
And also about Typhonium horsfieldii which was misidentified in my site as T. kunmingense.
Today the page will disappear:
and it will be replaced with
 
Marek
 
----- Original Message -----
From: T*@mobot.org
To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4,2005 as Ty. kumingense T-106

Marek:

            Are you saying that the images you attached are Typhonium pedatisecta?  It does not match the images I have in my files.  I think that these images look like a plant that is a real weed at my place.  I will paste a picture of this to see if I can confirm what it is.  I only know that it does not match the species in your picture. What was the place of origin of the material you sent?

 

Tom

From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:55 PM
To: Alan Galloway; discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4,2005 as Ty. kumingense T-106

 

Dear Alan,

 

So probably all two (!) other photos found by google on the web as T. kunmingense (except my plant) are also incorrectly identified.

and my plant was identical, the spathe external side was brown,

while in the IAS page photos of T. horsfieldii inflorescences vary from green through yellow to olive, no brown form shown,

but the spadix looks the same as mine.

 

I see there must be a big mess in the small-tubered aroids sold on auctions and in "rarity" webshops.

First I wanted to write to you about a Pinellia bought on an auction as "Typhonium alpinum".

Today the first inflorescence opened, I took some photos and I noticed this is the same taxon as your photos of Pinellia ternata 'lanceolate leaf form'. I attach photos of my plant taken today.

 

I don't doubt this is P. ternata, but for many years I've had a green spathed form with broad leaflets. I wonder how two so different forms of the same species could evolute, don't you think it is a subspecies, a variety or even a cultivar?

 

Marek

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: a*@bellsouth.net

To: a*@wp.pl ; aroid-l@gizmoworks.com

Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:48 PM

Subject: Re: Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4, 2005 as Ty. kumingense T-106

 

Marek,

 

This is Typhonium horsfieldii.

 

alan

 

 

 

 

From: a*@wp.pl

Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:24 PM

To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com ; a*@bellsouth.net

Subject: Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4, 2005 as Ty. kumingense T-106

 

Hello,

 

This is 100% Pinellia pedatisecta.

I had Typhonium kunmingense, and it looked so:

I don't have better photos, the tubers died next season.

 

Best,

Marek Argent

 

 


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