Re: Synandrospadix breeding

Appreciate the comments, but I’ll have to respectfully disagree. 

 

Most invasive plants in the US were either intentionally brought to the US by authorized governments (think kudzu, multiflora rose, lespedeza, etc.  or accidentally, in shipments of other non-plant items. Furthermore, most of these plants would not be classified invasive by non-native humans, if they were growing in functional natural ecosystems, but it’s intellectually simpler to just blame the “bad” plants.  I’m further fascinated that some people have such a zealous hangup about invasive ornamental plants, when other non-native species like Homo sapiens, honeybees, and non-native earthworms cause ecological change on the order of 1000x that of all “invasive plants” combined.  Then of course, there are the non-native edible plants to feed the non-native humans, both of which take up massively more area than all of the non-native ornamental plants every introduced.  Some people seem determined to put everything  in a “good” or “bad” bucket, based on what are often myopic views of the world.

 

Then of course, there is the entire concept of what is native.  This fascinatingly need for putting everything into boxes, usually fails to realize that “native” is not a place in location, but is instead a place in time.  Still, people call certain races of people in North American, native Americans.  Unfortunately, this misnomer simply reflects a humorous artificial distinction based on whether the Homo sapiens came to North America across the Pacific Ocean or the Atlantic Ocean, separated by a period of ~15,000 years.

 

In my humble opinion, giving governments, especially unfunctional bureaucracies, more control over what plants they share is exactly the current problem.  Humans would mostly likely not exist today without the free flow of plant germplasm, which has been shared and moved since the beginnings of the genus Homo circa 2.8 million year ago. It’s fascinating that some people have an insatiable need for the world to be static and long for a return to a magical Camelotian place and time. 

 

Again, my vote is return to 2.8 million year old idea that plants belong to humankind, not governments.

 

Tony Avent

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From: Aroid-L <aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com> On Behalf Of a sunjian
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 9:12 AM
To: Discussion of aroids <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com>
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Synandrospadix breeding

 

I am all for being able to move plants after careful consideration and approval from the host country, but unauthorized and unstudied movement of living plant material between areas can result in ecological disasters. Most of the invasive problems we have today are because of such movements in the past.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 8:45 AM Tony Avent <T*@plantdelights.com> wrote:

Sharing of rare plants used to be acceptable, even encouraged, back when plant genetics were considered to belong to humankind.  Sadly, now, plants are viewed as belonging to the current country of origin. This greed-based, short-sighted view is leading to far more plants going extinct.  One of many such stories is when the late Alan Galloway found a new amorphophallus species in Central Thailand.  Because he didn’t have official permission from the Thailand government to collect a sample, he subsequently had to publish it without a specific location.  When he revisited the site five years later, the entire small mountain on which it grew had been destroyed for gravel production.  We all must work to reverse this said trend and return to a time when plant genetics belonged to everyone.

 

Tony Avent

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Juniper Level Botanic Garden and Plant Delights Nursery

Ph 919.772.4794/fx 919.772.4752

9241 Sauls Road, Raleigh, North Carolina  27603  USA

USDA Zone 7b/Winter 0-5 F/Summer 95-105F

"Preserving, Studying, Propagating, and Sharing the World’s Flora”

Since 1988, Plant Delights Nursery is THE Source for unique, rare and native perennial plants.

 

 

From: Aroid-L <aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com> On Behalf Of Steve Marak
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 8:13 PM
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Synandrospadix breeding

 

Same here, I'll share pollen, or accept pollen, of whatever species I have. My Synandrospadix has its second inflorescence up, and based on past experience there will be a few more this summer.

Steve

On 6/22/2023 3:16 PM, Jessica Holbrook wrote:

Delayed response on this thread here, my apologies. 

 

I would love to be involved in these types of collaborations when I have plants of age to be putting out inflos; right now I am only there with Alocasias.

 

If you’re interested &/or looking for additional participants in these kinds of endeavors please keep me in mind if you like—I am also more than happy to try to acquire specific plants to participate! Certainly never a burden to expand the collection! 😂 

 

Thanks all,

:) Jess

 

On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 12:22 D. Christopher Rogers <b*@gmail.com> wrote:

I no longer have the plant, or I would offer mine up for the experiment.  But I do think that those of you who have this species, should consider sending each other offsets, so that all can start propagating and sharing the seeds. The IAS membership used to do this sort of thing all the time decades ago. It was important to the membership to get these plants out into the hobby, especially as so many species were disappearing from the wild. Julius Boos, Steve Lucas, Tom Croat, Dewey Fisk, and so many others used to share material just to get rare species out into the hobby. This makes so many hard to find species more generally available, builds networks of breeders, develops relationships, and conserves the species.

 

Happy days,

Christopher

 

On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 11:12, Steve Marak <samarak@gizmoworks.com> wrote:

Christopher,

Love to!

Wilbert told me many years ago that only young Synandrospadix will make offsets and, as usual, it seems he's right. I got one offset from my plant many years ago (that's the one I tried outdoors), and none since.

But I'd be happy to collect pollen from mine and send it to to others.

Steve

On 6/2/2023 11:03 AM, D. Christopher Rogers wrote:

Anyone want to share clones and try to get some genetic diversity into the hobby populations?

 

Christopher

 

On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 11:00, Don Martinson <l*@wi.rr.com> wrote:

I’ve tried this as well, Steve.  That’s why I ask.  Thanks.

Don

> On Jun 2, 2023, at 10:52 AM, Steve Marak <samarak@gizmoworks.com> wrote:
>
> Don, for what it's worth I've tried to self my single clone several times and never gotten any seed.
>
> Steve
>

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