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Re: RE: List serve as "news service," "discussion forum" and "connection to CG community and broader-than-American network of gardeners / activists"

  • Subject: Re: [cg] RE: List serve as "news service," "discussion forum" and "connection to CG community and broader-than-American network of gardeners / activists"
  • From: "Jude Carson" cleobar@nbnet.nb.ca
  • Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:58:05 -0300

I echo these sentiments!

Jude Carson
Saint John, New Brunswick
Canada
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Holland" <sholland@radiant.net>
To: <community_garden@mallorn.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: [cg] RE: List serve as "news service," "discussion forum" and "connection to CG community and broader-than-American network of gardeners / activists"


I echo the praise for Don Boekelheide's contributions and thoughtfulness,
Adam Honigman's unflagging generosity in offering factual information and
spirited responses to all topics raised, the administrator's skill in
bundling messages as a digest and eliminating code in the process, and the
richness of perspectives that appear because so many others also take time
to write.



This is a wonderful service. Thank you, all.



When tempted to complain, if any one of us inquires to what we might do
ourselves to improve the situation, rather than suggest action that someone
else should take to make our own loads lighter, . . . I've no doubt that yet
more bounty will keep flowing through the pipeline. It always has.



Appreciatively, Sylvia Holland (Vancouver,Canada)



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1. List as 'news service' as well as 'forum' (Don Boekelheide)

2. Re: List as 'news service' as well as 'forum' (adam36055@aol.com)

3. List serve is connection to ACGA community (Patty Zehl)

4. Fw: [cg] mail frequency (Randa Shannon)

5. Re: List as 'news service' as well as 'forum' (grow19@aol.com)

6. re: List as 'news service' as well as 'forum' (Bailey, Sarah)

7. Fwd: Sharing other garden news - thx for keep 'em coming
(adam36055@aol.com)



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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:06:37 -0700 (PDT)

From: Don Boekelheide <dboekelheide@yahoo.com>

To: community_garden@mallorn.com

Subject: [cg] List as 'news service' as well as 'forum'



Hi, all,



I'm sympathetic to recent comments that I'm posting

too many articles about community gardening. This list

didn't feature that many before (though some were

posted from time to time, mostly from New York - no

conspiracy, just some wide-awake people in NYC, and a

lot of community gardens, over 1000 of them).



I'm doubly sympathetic since I'm personally most

interested in the technical growing and design

questions of community gardening and gardening in

general.



That said, why have I been forwarding these stories?

Well, I decided to pass along articles about community

gardens around North America from the media for

severa; reasons - first, other folks often have great

ideas I haven't thought of and I wanted to share them

widely; second, we need to support one another and

can't do it without knowing what each other is doing

(and skilled reporters are often very good at telling

stories, which saves us time); three. in terms of

sustainability amd grant writing, it is very helpful

to know what's 'hot' in community gardening, and

what's not (in terms of gardens that find themselves

fighting to survive). I guess I also wanted to help

sing the praises of successful gardens and gardeners.



I confess that the delete key is also a factor - if

you don't like it, delete it. But, I know, I myself

don't always read lists with 'too much information'

even when they are 'good for me' (for instance, on

some nights, even the list covering events in my Peace

Corps country, Togo).



When I forwarded fewer articles, there wasn't so much

of a problem - but admittedly recently there have been

a lot of articles showing up. Since it takes more time

for me to write or edit a digested version, and since

this is all informal, I've just been sending them on

as they appear.



How about we do this - as a list community, let's

decide if it makes sense to share these kinds of

articles on this list. If the general consensus is no,

end of story, I won't keep posting. If it is yes,

maybe I can try to be more selective, and for most

items just post the URL so folks can go visit it if

they choose, sending full text only for items that

really catch my eye (of course, you all are free to

pass on articles too, as well as your questions and

pearls of garden and community building wisdom).



Since we have a fall garden season here in the

Southern Piedmont (best time for all brassicas, root

crops, lettuce...), I don't mind not sending articles.

I can use all the time I can get out in the garden.

But I don't mind doing it, either - what do we all

think?



Good gardening,



Don Boekelheide

Urban Ministry Center Community Garden

Charlotte, NC





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Message: 2

Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:32:01 -0400

From: adam36055@aol.com

Subject: Re: [cg] List as 'news service' as well as 'forum'

To: dboekelheide@yahoo.com, community_garden@mallorn.com



Lookit - Don,



You've made the assumption that people who subscribe to a community garden
list-serv are interested in reading about community gardens.



Some are. Many would like to be. Many are lurkers and feel guilty when they
don't read the content.



There are some who have reading disabilities, got into gardening because
they are "differently abled," and find having all this material to read on
community gardening onorous. They would prefer pictures - so would I, but
we don't have the money or resources to do this.





Others, the complainers, the passive-aggressives, feel the need to whine
about "all of that content," instead of clicking the "delete key," when the
flow becomes too heavy, or they are tired, or want to watch "American Idol,"
re-runs, or the "news flash," on the latest kiddie porn sex scandal.



FOR THOSE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS: THIS ACGA LIST SERV IS A FREE SERVICE
RUN BY VOLUNTEERS.



IF YOU WERE TO COUNT NOSES, MOST OF THE SUBSCRIBERS ARE NOT ACGA MEMBERS.



I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IF THE WHINERS, IN SPECIFIC, HAVE EVER BEEN DUES PAYING
ACGA MEMBERS OR PLAN TO BE. THEY JUST LIKE TO COMPLAIN.



The people who care about community gardens are really grateful for the
content, to read about what is going on in places like our own, in places
where we have never been. We are looking for new ways to build membership,
deal with compost, deal with vandalism, create community, save our gardens,
the best way to espalier pears in a small space - the whole works.





Thank you for what you do, Don,



Best regards,

Adam Honigman

NYC Community Gardener

















-----Original Message-----

From: dboekelheide@yahoo.com

To: community_garden@mallorn.com

Sent: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:06 AM

Subject: [cg] List as 'news service' as well as 'forum'





Hi, all,



I'm sympathetic to recent comments that I'm posting

too many articles about community gardening. This list

didn't feature that many before (though some were

posted from time to time, mostly from New York - no

conspiracy, just some wide-awake people in NYC, and a

lot of community gardens, over 1000 of them).



I'm doubly sympathetic since I'm personally most

interested in the technical growing and design

questions of community gardening and gardening in

general.



That said, why have I been forwarding these stories?

Well, I decided to pass along articles about community

gardens around North America from the media for

severa; reasons - first, other folks often have great

ideas I haven't thought of and I wanted to share them

widely; second, we need to support one another and

can't do it without knowing what each other is doing

(and skilled reporters are often very good at telling

stories, which saves us time); three. in terms of

sustainability amd grant writing, it is very helpful

to know what's 'hot' in community gardening, and

what's not (in terms of gardens that find themselves

fighting to survive). I guess I also wanted to help

sing the praises of successful gardens and gardeners.



I confess that the delete key is also a factor - if

you don't like it, delete it. But, I know, I myself

don't always read lists with 'too much information'

even when they are 'good for me' (for instance, on

some nights, even the list covering events in my Peace

Corps country, Togo).



When I forwarded fewer articles, there wasn't so much

of a problem - but admittedly recently there have been

a lot of articles showing up. Since it takes more time

for me to write or edit a digested version, and since

this is all informal, I've just been sending them on

as they appear.



How about we do this - as a list community, let's

decide if it makes sense to share these kinds of

articles on this list. If the general consensus is no,

end of story, I won't keep posting. If it is yes,

maybe I can try to be more selective, and for most

items just post the URL so folks can go visit it if

they choose, sending full text only for items that

really catch my eye (of course, you all are free to

pass on articles too, as well as your questions and

pearls of garden and community building wisdom).



Since we have a fall garden season here in the

Southern Piedmont (best time for all brassicas, root

crops, lettuce...), I don't mind not sending articles.

I can use all the time I can get out in the garden.

But I don't mind doing it, either - what do we all

think?



Good gardening,



Don Boekelheide

Urban Ministry Center Community Garden

Charlotte, NC





______________________________________________________

The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's


services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find
out

how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org





To post an e-mail to the list: community_garden@mallorn.com



To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription:
https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden

________________________________________________________________________

Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and
IM. All on demand. Always Free.





--__--__--



Message: 3

From: "Patty Zehl" <pzehl@ksu.edu>

To: "ACGA List Serve" <community_garden@mallorn.com>

Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:27:07 -0500

Subject: [cg] List serve is connection to ACGA community



I'm really happy to receive the emails from Don, Adam and others. Please

don't be discouraged at the few people who have chosen to drop off the list

serve. Please, keep providing us with valuable information which I would not

have the time or resources to discover for myself. Your emails have helped

to connect me to fellow community gardeners around the country; whose

concerns, trials, successes and failures have been informative, inspiring

and instructional.







I appreciate your care in the preview provided by in the "subject" line. I

can easily delete what I am not interested in.















Patty Zehl



Manhattan Community Garden



Manhattan, KS





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Reply-To: "Randa Shannon" <mildredsdaughters@earthlink.net>

From: "Randa Shannon" <mildredsdaughters@earthlink.net>

To: <community_garden@mallorn.com>

Subject: Fw: [cg] mail frequency

Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:38:07 -0400



----- Original Message -----

From: Randa Shannon

To: chelseaxmolli@comcast.net

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 7:31 PM

Subject: Re: [cg] mail frequency





Thanks for the suggestions...I am not very internet savvy, obviously. I am

going to figure out how to set up folders as Bonnie suggested. My email has

become overwhelming as business and urban ag. stuff expand, so this folder

thing should be great. I also went to the list site and asked to receive the

digest as Don suggested.





I do recognize that the stream of references is of value to many and a work
of

service. I think what bothers me in part is the awareness of the constant

battle for survival of community gardens everywhere. I was aware of this

before joining ACGA, but now it seems like every garden is endangered. Way

easier to bury my head in the compost pile. Or at least find a way to read

the news when I am ready.



As for american idol and kiddy porn, most people I know find gardening in

competition with jobs that pay rent and buy groceries or with the time and

effort to run a household with kids and elders..



Maybe you all know each other and the insult level of discourse is accepted
as

humorous and any comment on process is whining. Is Adam the "moderator".?.I

dunno....I'm a stranger here myself.



Thanks again for the positive direction from most.

Randa

----- Original Message -----

From: chelseaxmolli@comcast.net

To: Randa Shannon

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 1:22 PM

Subject: Re: [cg] mail frequency





Randa,

I can understand this sentiment - although my interests differ.



My solution is to use my email program to sort incoming mail into folders

based on the [cg] in the subject line. All mail from this list goes into its

own folder. When I have time, I scan through the subject lines of the emails

in this folder with my finger posed over the delete key. Finally, I come
back

to read what is of potential interest to me. I miss some emails that change

topics when the sender does not change the subject line - but then I'd miss

all emails if I unsubscribed. Also, I find this method less tedious than

scanning through a digest list; and, for me, it's more amenable to the

external interruptions that are more frequent in my life than the number of

emails from this list.



Bonnie

Arlington, TX









On Aug 20, 2006, at 10:46 AM, Randa Shannon wrote:





Perhaps a digest listing news articles /sources re community gardening

which you find of interest would serve some members better than 7 or 8

seperate emails....I personally find that a little much and have considered

unsubscribing. I am more interested in the practical exchange of
information.

The dialogue about paths is typical of what I want and that is a day to day

conversation The politics of gardens is of interest but I don't want every

article about every garden mailed to me.



Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that
matter."

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.





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Message: 5

From: Grow19@aol.com

Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:56:27 EDT

Subject: Re: [cg] List as 'news service' as well as 'forum'

To: community_garden@mallorn.com



keep up the news as well as the dialogue (forum). both are valuable and

many of us would otherwise never see the news stories. learn to be easy
with

the delete key if messages don't interest.

judy tiger, washington dc





--__--__--



Message: 6

Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:57:12 -0400

From: "Bailey, Sarah" <sarah.bailey@uconn.edu>

To: <community_garden@mallorn.com>

Subject: [cg] re: List as 'news service' as well as 'forum'



Don -







I, for one, find the news articles interesting, helpful and informative.

As noted, I can always hit the delete button.... But the articles give

me a sense of what's happening around the country (and world, on

occasion!) in the realm of community gardening, which I find as

important and useful as the more practical and focused discussions on

specific topics within community gardening. Please, keep up the good

work!







Sarah Bailey



Master Gardener Program Coordinator



Hartford County, CT





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Message: 7

Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:20:13 -0400

From: adam36055@aol.com

To: community_garden@mallorn.com

Subject: [cg] Fwd: Sharing other garden news - thx for keep 'em coming



-----Original Message-----

From: DanielsB@stcsc.edu

To: dboekelheide@yahoo.com

Cc: adam36055@aol.com

Sent: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:16 AM

Subject: RE: Sharing other garden news - thx for keep 'em coming





Don: Adam, as always, is on target. I join his ranks in supporting

your sharing news from other gardens. I particularly appreciate your

sending the whole article rather than the URL. I can scan every

article, flag those that I need, file the others to search later. If

you send URLs, it slows down my perusing and encumbers later searches.

Thank you, and keep on sending the whole news (~: B



-----Original Message-----

From: community_garden-admin@mallorn.com

[mailto:community_garden-admin@mallorn.com] On Behalf Of

adam36055@aol.com

Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:32 AM

To: dboekelheide@yahoo.com; community_garden@mallorn.com

Subject: Re: [cg] List as 'news service' as well as 'forum'



Lookit - Don,



You've made the assumption that people who subscribe to a community

garden list-serv are interested in reading about community gardens.



Some are. Many would like to be. Many are lurkers and feel guilty when

they don't read the content.



There are some who have reading disabilities, got into gardening because

they are "differently abled," and find having all this material to read

on community gardening onorous. They would prefer pictures - so would

I, but we don't have the money or resources to do this.





Others, the complainers, the passive-aggressives, feel the need to whine

about "all of that content," instead of clicking the "delete key," when

the flow becomes too heavy, or they are tired, or want to watch

"American Idol," re-runs, or the "news flash," on the latest kiddie porn

sex scandal.



FOR THOSE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS: THIS ACGA LIST SERV IS A FREE

SERVICE RUN BY VOLUNTEERS.



IF YOU WERE TO COUNT NOSES, MOST OF THE SUBSCRIBERS ARE NOT ACGA

MEMBERS.



I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IF THE WHINERS, IN SPECIFIC, HAVE EVER BEEN DUES

PAYING ACGA MEMBERS OR PLAN TO BE. THEY JUST LIKE TO COMPLAIN.



The people who care about community gardens are really grateful for the

content, to read about what is going on in places like our own, in

places where we have never been. We are looking for new ways to build

membership, deal with compost, deal with vandalism, create community,

save our gardens, the best way to espalier pears in a small space - the

whole works.





Thank you for what you do, Don,



Best regards,

Adam Honigman

NYC Community Gardener

















-----Original Message-----

From: dboekelheide@yahoo.com

To: community_garden@mallorn.com

Sent: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:06 AM

Subject: [cg] List as 'news service' as well as 'forum'





Hi, all,



I'm sympathetic to recent comments that I'm posting

too many articles about community gardening. This list

didn't feature that many before (though some were

posted from time to time, mostly from New York - no

conspiracy, just some wide-awake people in NYC, and a

lot of community gardens, over 1000 of them).



I'm doubly sympathetic since I'm personally most

interested in the technical growing and design

questions of community gardening and gardening in

general.



That said, why have I been forwarding these stories?

Well, I decided to pass along articles about community

gardens around North America from the media for

severa; reasons - first, other folks often have great

ideas I haven't thought of and I wanted to share them

widely; second, we need to support one another and

can't do it without knowing what each other is doing

(and skilled reporters are often very good at telling

stories, which saves us time); three. in terms of

sustainability amd grant writing, it is very helpful

to know what's 'hot' in community gardening, and

what's not (in terms of gardens that find themselves

fighting to survive). I guess I also wanted to help

sing the praises of successful gardens and gardeners.



I confess that the delete key is also a factor - if

you don't like it, delete it. But, I know, I myself

don't always read lists with 'too much information'

even when they are 'good for me' (for instance, on

some nights, even the list covering events in my Peace

Corps country, Togo).



When I forwarded fewer articles, there wasn't so much

of a problem - but admittedly recently there have been

a lot of articles showing up. Since it takes more time

for me to write or edit a digested version, and since

this is all informal, I've just been sending them on

as they appear.



How about we do this - as a list community, let's

decide if it makes sense to share these kinds of

articles on this list. If the general consensus is no,

end of story, I won't keep posting. If it is yes,

maybe I can try to be more selective, and for most

items just post the URL so folks can go visit it if

they choose, sending full text only for items that

really catch my eye (of course, you all are free to

pass on articles too, as well as your questions and

pearls of garden and community building wisdom).



Since we have a fall garden season here in the

Southern Piedmont (best time for all brassicas, root

crops, lettuce...), I don't mind not sending articles.

I can use all the time I can get out in the garden.

But I don't mind doing it, either - what do we all

think?



Good gardening,



Don Boekelheide

Urban Ministry Center Community Garden

Charlotte, NC





______________________________________________________

The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of

ACGA's

services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to

find out

how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org





To post an e-mail to the list: community_garden@mallorn.com



To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription:

https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden

________________________________________________________________________

Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email

and IM. All on demand. Always Free.





______________________________________________________

The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of

ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and

to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org





To post an e-mail to the list: community_garden@mallorn.com



To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription:

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________________________________________________________________________

Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and
IM. All on demand. Always Free.









--__--__--



______________________________________________________

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services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find
out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org



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