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RE: Enviromentally Responsible

  • Subject: RE: [cg] Enviromentally Responsible
  • From: Maria Kochis kochism@csus.edu
  • Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:18:00 -0800

dood, what yougotta do is KNOCK on the window of that SUV and ask her if she
realizes the hyprocrisy...mk

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Call [mailto:jimcall@mail.casagarden.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 1:17 PM
To: 'community_garden@mallorn.com'; Honigman, Adam
Subject: [cg] Enviromentally Responsible


Being environmentally responsible.  Hmmm.... such a nice phase.  

Yesterday, as I was crossing the parking lot of an upscale shopping center,
(yes, we do have a few in Alabama), I noticed a well dressed lady sitting
relaxed in her huge SUV (Yukon), just chatting on her cell phone with the
motor running.  As I passed her car, I noticed her personalized car tag
which was dedicated to the theme of "Saving Our Environment".   Amazing,
simply amazing.

As far as buying from your local Mom and Pop store.  I agree we need to
support them as much as possible.  But, ponder this... there was a scene in
a movie called "Falling Down" where the crazed engineer goes in the local
"Mom and Pop" store and finds the prices wasn't exactly bargain-priced.  He
kind of loses it.  Anyway, sometimes, because large chains are not nearby,
some of these "Moms and Pops" take advantage of the situation (especially in
low income neighborhoods).
Buyer Beware. 

As far as coffee grounds, composting them is always better than going to the
landfill.  

My 2 1/2 cents worth,   Jim 

 

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Honigman, Adam" <Adam.Honigman@Bowne.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:39:05 -0500

>Giving the devil his or her due - in this case Starbucks, I actually went
in
>and had a cup of coffee at one, "shudder", this morning. If you look at the
>bags of coffee they sell to take home, you can buy Starbucks in second
party
>certified "organic shade grown" and "fair trade" bags, at least in NYC.  
>
>
>I kid you not.
>
> Check to see if they have them at an outlet near you. If not, ask for
them.
>If there is a market, capitalism will supply, at a price. It seems like all
>of those campus protests have paid off with this company. Are they perfect?
>Nope. But neither is the mom and pop or bodega that raises prices the week
>before the checks come in. 
>
>Mind you, I'd rather deal with a mom and pop, but if a big guy happens to
>behave and act responsibly, then why not?
>
>Coffee grounds make nice compost.
>
>
>Now to find a pair of sneakers that wasn't made in a sweatshop. Anyone on
>this list know of any? The only American made non-sweat sneakers I know of
>are Converse Chuck Taylors.
>
>Best wishes, 
>Adam Honigman 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Julie Samuels [mailto:jsamuels@openlands.org]
>Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:21 PM
>To: 'community_garden@mallorn.com'
>Subject: [cg] Starbucks
>
>
>In using the coffee grounds from Starbucks keep in mind that they do not
use
>organically/shade- grown coffee exclusively and I do not believe that they
>purchase from fair trade organizations.  Then, there is always the issue of
>allowing corporate giants to create an aura of goodness by giving them an
>outlet to do almost-the-right-thing with one hand and create havoc with the
>other.  
>
>We are fighting the corporate takeover of our near-in Chicago Suburb
>shopping districts.  We go instead to our small locally owned businesses
and
>work out arrangements for mutual benefit.  You might be surprised how the
>mom and pops will be willing to help in return for helping them market
their
>business/product. One of our small stores is giving us a 5% day for each
>buying customer we bring into her store.
>Julie Samuels, GreenNet Chicago 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: community_garden-admin@mallorn.com
>[mailto:community_garden-admin@mallorn.com]
>Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:00 PM
>To: community_garden@mallorn.com
>Subject: community_garden digest, Vol 1 #1301 - 4 msgs
>
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>Today's Topics:
>
>  1. Governor Locke (a.h.steely)
>  2. RE: Free Compostable Coffee Grounds from Starbucks (Honigman, Adam)
>  3. Re: CAUTION -  Free Compostable Coffee (Lekoma Akate)
>  4. RE:Starbucks (jsbmh2@aol.com)
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 1
>From: "a.h.steely" <gfcp@mindspring.com>
>To: <community_garden@mallorn.com>
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:05:04 -0500
>charset="iso-8859-1"
>Subject: [cg] Governor Locke
>
>Yes!!  I was impressed and managed to stay awake while listening to Locke.
>Maybe the Democrats will get smart and put up a young man like him for
>president instead of the old farts that are older than me!  (age 55)  I met
>Squanto and learned to plant the 3 sisters with a fish under the hill back
>when the Mayflower sailed into Plymouth.  Democrats should not try to rival
>the Republicans for ancient presidential candidates.
>
>We need the return of the Victory Garden.  Lots of my young neighbors are
in
>fear of losing their homes and don't get it, i.e., the grass should be
>turned under and the lawn planted in food for their kids.  Maybe you could
>suggest that idea to Gov. Locke.
>
>Sincerely,
>Helen Steely
>Hbg., Pa.
>
>
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 2
>From: "Honigman, Adam" <Adam.Honigman@Bowne.com>
>To: community_garden@mallorn.com
>Subject: RE: [cg] Free Compostable Coffee Grounds from Starbucks
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:32:01 -0500
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>OK - On Issues of Gentrification and Large Corporations Knocking Out Mom
and
>Pop Stores. 
> 
>I got you on this, and walk the walk on mom & pop store preservation in my
>neighborhood with my work as a member of Clinton Land Use and Zoning
>Committee of Manhattan Community Board 4.  This is a very hard thing to do
>in local neighborhoods when landlords want to get as much rent as they can
>for commericial properties. And yes, it is a matter of demand for goods and
>services that drives this. 
> 
>Now, as someone who has helped preserve a local green market through
>politics ( yeah I do that too - doesn't make me a good person, though) and
a
>tented low income market called Stiles right next to the Radio City Station
>Post Office ( yeah the one you hear about on late night TV)I can tell you
>that it's a constant fight. 
> 
>And when a Cosco big box store was sited for our neighborhood, I did the
>legwork and lined up political oppositionon that one too.  Got a 80% market
>rent -20% affordable rent high rise with a supermarket going into that
>space, so that's a mixed blessing. The auxilliary space behind the building
>will be a "keyed, neighborhood volunteer green space" - bureaucratese for a
>2,500 sq foot community garden. But you can't be pure when you're dealing
>with the real world and you want to get good things done. Not ends
>justifying the means, just best possible outcome considering the way the
>ground lays. 
> 
>Do I want moms and pops to survive in urban areas? Yes I do, and I like to
>shop small. However, in the real world you have to deal with everybody. You
>make lemonade from lemons. 
> 
>Now, I have no problems with dealing with a big guy, if he acts ethically -
>and I won't buy from a mom and pop that puts it's thumb on the scale or
>sells something untoward under the counter. 
> 
>Let's get compost from whomever we can and if a large corporation wants to
>do the right thing, why not?  There are people, just like ourselves, and
>more than a few that work for them are community gardeners... We need a
>large tent.
> 
>Best wishes,
>Adam Hongman
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>But...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: LTanenb50@aol.com [mailto:LTanenb50@aol.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 5:58 PM
>To: Adam.Honigman@bowne.com; community_garden@mallorn.com
>Subject: Re: [cg] Free Compostable Coffee Grounds from Starbucks
>
>
>
>
>The point is, Adam, some people do not want to buy products from the"big
>guys" who actively put the masses of small mom & pop, sis & brother
>businesses out of business.  That's all.  Take the grounds. Get your coffee
>elsewhere - if you care about that sort of thing.  Laurie, Chicago
>
>
>
>
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><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313241223-29012003>OK
>- 
>On Issues of Gentrification and Large Corporations Knocking Out Mom and Pop

>Stores. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
>class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>I
>got 
>you on this, and walk the walk on mom & pop store preservation in my 
>neighborhood with my work as a member of Clinton Land Use and Zoning
>Committee 
>of Manhattan Community Board 4.  This is a very hard thing to do in
>local 
>neighborhoods when landlords want to get as much rent as they can for 
>commericial properties. And yes, it is a matter of demand for goods and
>services 
>that drives this. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
>class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
>class=313241223-29012003>Now, 
>as someone who has helped preserve a local green market through politics (
>yeah 
>I do that too - doesn't make me a good person, though) and a tented low
>income 
>market called Stiles right next to the Radio City Station Post Office (
yeah
>the 
>one you hear about on late night TV)I can tell you that it's a constant 
>fight. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
>class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
>class=313241223-29012003>And 
>when a Cosco big box store was sited for our neighborhood, I did the
legwork
>and 
>lined up political oppositionon that one too.  Got a 80% market rent
>-20% 
>affordable rent  high rise with a supermarket going into that space, so
>that's a 
>mixed blessing. The auxilliary space behind the building will be a "keyed, 
>neighborhood volunteer green space" - bureaucratese for a 2,500 sq foot 
>community garden. But you can't be pure when you're dealing with the real
>world 
>and you want to get good things done. Not ends justifying the means, just
>best 
>possible outcome considering the way the ground lays. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
>class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313241223-29012003>Do
>I 
>want moms and pops to survive in urban areas? Yes I do, and I like to shop 
>small. However, in the real world you have to deal with everybody. You make

>lemonade from lemons. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
>class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
>class=313241223-29012003>Now, I 
>have no problems with dealing with a big guy, if he acts ethically - and I
>won't 
>buy from a mom and pop that puts it's thumb on the scale or sells something

>untoward under the counter. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
>class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
>class=313241223-29012003>Let's 
>get compost from whomever we can and if a large corporation wants to do the

>right thing, why not?  There are people, just like ourselves, and
>more 
>than a few that work for them are community gardeners... We need a large 
>tent.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
>class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
>class=313241223-29012003>Best 
>wishes,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
>class=313241223-29012003>Adam 
>Hongman</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
>class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
>class=313241223-29012003> </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
>class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
>class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
>class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
>size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
>class=313241223-29012003>But...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE>
>  <DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma 
>  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> LTanenb50@aol.com 
>  [mailto:LTanenb50@aol.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 29, 2003
>5:58 
>  PM<BR><B>To:</B> Adam.Honigman@bowne.com; 
>  community_garden@mallorn.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cg] Free Compostable

>  Coffee Grounds from Starbucks<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT 
>  face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0 size=2 
>  FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><BR>The point is, Adam, some people do not want to

>  <U>buy products </U>from the"big guys" who actively put the masses of
>small 
>  mom & pop, sis & brother businesses out of business.  That's 
>  all.  Take the grounds. Get your coffee elsewhere - <I>if </I>you
>care 
>  about that sort of thing.  Laurie, 
>Chicago<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:34:49 -0600
>Subject: Re: [cg] CAUTION -  Free Compostable Coffee
>From: Lekoma Akate <lekoma216@cox.net>
>To: John Verin <jverin@Pennhort.org>,
>"CG List (E-mail)" <community_garden@mallorn.com>
>boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3126717289_7092345_MIME_Part"
>
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>Right on, John.  Like your quote.  Let's make compost with Love, it is only
>right.  Love, Lekoma
>
>As we are liberated from our own fear,
>our presence automatically liberates others."
>
>"A garden, where one may enter in and forget the whole world, cannot be
made
>in a week, nor a month, nor a year; it must be planned for, waited for and
>loved into being."    Chinese Proverb 
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> with Love, it is only right.  Love, Lekoma<BR>
><BR>
><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"2">As we are liberated from our own
>fear,=
><BR>
></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"2">our
>presenc=
>e automatically liberates others."<BR>
><BR>
></FONT></FONT>"A garden, where one may enter in and forget the whole w=
>orld, cannot be made<BR>
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>
>Message: 4
>From: JSBMH2@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:09:56 EST
>To: community_garden@mallorn.com
>Subject: [cg] RE:Starbucks
>
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>Friends,
>Starbucks has a program you should know about.  Here in Oklahoma City they 
>sponsor work days at Community Gardens and pay $10 an hour for every 
>volunteer that shows up, including their own employees whom they encourage
>to 
>attend.  Work days here are 3 to 5 hours long and once a month.  The funds
>go 
>to the Community Garden fund at said garden in the form of a check.  This
is
>
>a national program.  Contact you local Starbucks and get on the wagon! 
>Despite the Community Garden program having been temporally sabotaged here
>by 
>politics and greed, several of the gardens are using this program to great 
>benefit.
>Peace,
>John Herndon
>Village Green Community Garden
>Norman, Oklahoma 
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><HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
>FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Friends,<BR>
>Starbucks has a program you should know about.  Here in Oklahoma City
>they sponsor work days at Community Gardens and pay $10 an hour for every
>volunteer that shows up, including their own employees whom they encourage
>to attend.  Work days here are 3 to 5 hours long and once a
>month.  The funds go to the Community Garden fund at said garden in the
>form of a check.  This is a national program.  Contact you local
>Starbucks and get on the wagon! <BR>
>Despite the Community Garden program having been temporally sabotaged here
>by politics and greed, several of the gardens are using this program to
>great benefit.<BR>
>Peace,<BR>
>John Herndon<BR>
>Village Green Community Garden<BR>
>Norman, Oklahoma <BR>
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