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Re: pollution in fertilizer and food crops

  • Subject: Re: [cg] pollution in fertilizer and food crops
  • From: budge@magicaldesk.com
  • Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 06:10:28 +0800

I do not dispute that powdered milk is processed. I just find it a little hard to believe that in the US, such a product is effectively "industrial waste" while the same manufacturers make "real" powdered milk that they sell abroad, but not here.

It just sounds a bit too much like the 9000 urban myths and legends that my family are constantly bombarding me with, despite my best efforts to convince them to stop. As I could not find any info on this allegation on Snopes or by doing a google, I requested further information on this.


smead@amplepower.com wrote on 1/30/2003
I'm not responding the the issue of `industrial process', but in fact,
powdered milk is heavily processed. It's partially condensed under a
vacuum, flash pasteurized, (175 F for 20-30 seconds), and then sprayed or
atomized into 400 F air to remove the remaining liquid. After this,
additives are mixed into it along with whatever contaminants are in the

Can anyone point to an objective test that compares the nutrients before
and after?

My rule of thumb is: nutrients are inversely proportional to the amount of
processing, however that inverse relationship may tend to be exponential
with temperature of the process. Translation: minimize processing.
Further translation: harvest it; wipe off the dirt; eat it.


David Smead
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On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 budge@magicaldesk.com wrote:

> With respect, I find this difficult to believe. Does your friend have any
> particular reason for espousing this?
> Pamela
> ************************************************************
> gfcp@mindspring.com wrote on 1/30/2003
> ************************************************************
> Did you know that non fat powdered milk is the by product of an
> industrial
> process according to a friend of mine. The real stuff, whole milk that is
> dried and packaged in cans is not sold in supermarkets in the USA. The
> only
> place I ever saw it in 25 to 50 lb bags was at the now defunct Walnut
> Acres
> in Penna. Milk boards are afraid that it will impact liquid milk sales...
> Nestles sells the canned whole milk in powdered form in foreign nations.
> We
> did find it in a local Chinese grocery though. If you want to buy large
> quantities the wholesaler says that you must order about 1000 cases. One
> case costs about $108 and has 24 - 1 lb cans.
> Otherwise you are forced to buy the industrial waste that is known to
> cause
> skeletal malformation in rats. And poor people must use non fat powdered
> milk to extend the whole milk that they can purchase which is watered
> down.
> Compare it to whole organic milk, yuk!! Well, been there and done that.
> And lots of us poor folk don't smoke so that we have some money for our
> kids
> milk and beans.
> As for the low level waste being used as fertilizer, at least in Penna.
> you
> must let it set in an enclosed facility until the radiation is no more
> than
> the background radiation. But then, "dilution is the solution to
> pollution..." that is from the boys who work for the "Don't Eat the Rats"
> guys - DER, dept of environmental regulations. Remember that the rats eat
> the stuff in the dumps.
> Maybe our kitchen middens will be non-toxic in a 1,000 years when the
> next
> civilization studies them.
> Sincerely, not in jest,
> Helen Steely - Hbg., Pa.
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