RE: Update -Community Garden survey: How many is we in NYC? E
Even more numbers:
The "official" number of vacant lots in New York City is 11,000.
Prior to November, 1998, Garden preservationists were using numbers that
ranged up to 14,000 vacant lots in the City, and we couldn't get an
authoritative answer from the City as to what the exact number was. No
one ever "got back to us," even after several requests to the City
Council, the Mayor's office, and various people supposedly in the know.
At a public meeting at Hunter College in the late fall of 1998, a panel
was led by Steve Frilman, Luis Acosta of Williamsberg, two other garden
proponents, and GerriLee Pearin (sp?) of HPD.
Several of us in the audience pushed her to answer as specifically and
authoritatively as she could the exact number of vacant lots in the City
that HPD could account for.
We finally got her to admit in public that the true HPD number at that
time was 11,000.
For further information, and a specific list, which does exist in City
(probably HPD) records, perhaps your City Council member can help you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Honigman, Adam
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 1:54 PM
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> Subject: Update -Community Garden survey: How many is we in NYC?
> We are in conflict with the city and we are conflicted about our numbers.
> Please don't get upset with us, it's just that those damn diesel fumes
> from the bulldozers combined with the physical abuse we get...we're just
> numbers challenged.
> 1) According to Ximena Naranjo, of NYC's Green Guerrillas ( 212) 674.8124
> ext. 100 [ http://www.greenguerillas.org ] the breakdown is this:
> 112 Saved Permanent Gardens ( Gardens transferred to the NYC Parks Dept or
> purchased by a Land Trust)
> 500 Endangered gardens ( we are fighting like hell to save these gardens.)
> Total: 612
> 2) Jessica Kaslow of the Trust for Public Land figures on roughly 700
> gardens officially recognized by City's GreenThumb program; includes
> some gardens on school grounds and within parks. It's
> anybody's guess as to additonal vacant lots gardens (e.g. squatting);
> 50-100 plus several hundred NYC Housing Authority (Projects) tenants
> For better info: GreenThumb would have more accurate info on their
> holdings ( 212) 788-7926 http://www.cenyc.org NYCHA
> http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nycha on their's. [Note: Green Thumb's
> holdings were considerably eviscerated recently, and many links on their
> website don't work. /A.H.]
> 3.) This is a discussion of our empty lot statistics from the Neighborhood
> Open Space Coalition list serve
> Hello Cybergardeners,
> With all respect to the garden community, who's efforts I fully support,
> who's labor, dedication and energy is vital to our city, I am stumped by
> statement that I hear again and again. Today a gardener stated on NY1:
> "11,000 city owned developable lots". The development community has told
> me that
> there are not even 1,100 city owned developable lots and that less than
> of those lots exist in residential zones. This comes to mind on the eve
> yet another garden's destruction (this time for a beneficial use). I urge
> the garden community to supply this list of city lots so we can market
> to the "greedy developers" who we may find, some may not be so greedy.
> Please send this 11,000 lot list or let me know where I may find it and
> I'll make my summer project to determine what is developable and what is
> Thank You
> Owen Foote
> The 11,000 vacant lots comes from the New York Times (several years
> ago)and/or Dept of Real Estate Services. The total is down, as over
> past couple of years the City has sold off some of its property.
> Developable lots - HPD has, in the past, used this term to indicate
> 4,000-6,000+ square foot (40 or 60 by 100 feet) lots as a minimum
> development size. However, the HPD New Homes program, targets lots
> *SMALLER* than this size, that is those 25x100 lots that have been
> historically termed by HPD as "undevelopable". (a 25x100 foot lot is
> approx. a tenement or extra-wide brownstone width)
> HPD and Dept of Real Estate Servcies has exascerbated this
> shortage. NYC has not seized lots "in rem" since 93 or 94, thus
> supply of city-owned developable lots is shrinking through
> and sales/auctions. NYC, if it's facing a dearth of developable
> could begin to seize "in rem" properties (for development as housing
> AND/OR gardens AND/OR parks), rather than sell the tax lien (which
> currently does).
> Many of the sites and gardens are spoken for under long term plans
> are not spelled out to the public). How many other sites has HPD
> consideration? The 110 developable lots - what is included? HPD
> controlls approx. 250-350 gardens this means, almost by definition,
> housing or other development sites. Are these excluded from that
> Since HPD has claimed that "the deals are done" on these gardens?
> Lastly, is this 110 sites, are those ***controlled*** by HPD or by
> City Agencies?
> Owen, I'm sure this brings up more questions that it answers,
> this artificial shortage is one created by the City by not
> and reusing the properties that are "in rem".
> IN CONCLUSION: WHEN THE NUMBERS GET PAST OUR FINGERS, WE CAN GET AWFULLY
> CONFUSED. IT DOESN'T HELP THAT THE POWERS THAT BE BELIEVE IN GIVING US THE
> MUSHROOM TREATMENT ( I.E. KEEP THEM IN THE DARK, FEED 'EM ALOT OF S---!)
> Best wishes,
> Adam Honigman
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