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RE: In the demented modern system

  • Subject: RE: [cg] In the demented modern system
  • From: "Honigman, Adam" Adam.Honigman@Bowne.com
  • Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:23:52 -0500

Brian,

This is supplementary to Lenny Librizzi's post>

The Clinton Community Garden, founded in 1978 and transferred to parks in
1985, is located on West 48th street, between 9th & 10th Avenues in Hell's
Kitchen. It is smack dab in the center of the Special Clinton District. The
garden, whose site was originally a rubble filled lot/dumping ground for
rusted cars and the odd gangland hit ( read "The Westies" by T. English.) 

Due to gentrification in the area, over the last 5 years, we now have some
high rent apartments in the 19th Century tenements that line 48th between
9th & 10th Avenues. Landlords have made contributions to the Clinton
Community Garden for "making it nice." Apartments with a view of the garden
rent pretty quickly and for a good buck. It's a miniature version of the
"park view" that real estate guys charge more for around Olmstead & Vaux
designed Central Park (think Prospect Park in Brooklyn, Mt. Royal in
Montreal, etc.)

Urban Blocks with community gardens also tend to develop block associations,
clean up their tree pits and plant flower boxes, a kind of ripple effect. 

Bottom line: It's nicer having trees, green and plantings in your window
instead of the gas works. And landlords can charge more for it, if they can.

Best wishes,
Adam Honigman 
Volunteer, Clinton Community Garden
http://www.clintoncommunitygarden.org 





-----Original Message-----
From: Lenny Librizzi [mailto:plantlot@rcn.com]
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:03 AM
To: gfcp@mindspring.com; community_garden@mallorn.com; Brian Kehoe
Subject: Re: [cg] In the demented modern system


Brian,
It could prove to be quite difficult to show any causal relationship between
property values and community gardens, too 
many other variables to take into account. But if you do have some way to do
an evaluation that will yield some kind of 
relationship between community gardens and real estate values, I suggest
that you check out our New York City 
Community Garden Mapping Project web site:
http://www.cmap.nypirg.org/CENYC/cenycmapsearch.asp?view=default

It may be a good place to start. The maps include other open space, vacant
land and vacant buildings. We have a 
database lots of information about the community gardens and you should be
able to get information about property 
values from the NYC Dept of Finance. www.nyc.gov

Also check out OASIS www.oasisnyc.net for open space and property info.

Good Luck.
Would love to see what you come up with.

Lenny Librizzi

 11/14/02 10:54:34 AM, "Brian Kehoe" <brkehoe@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>  From:   "Brian Kehoe" <brkehoe@hotmail.com>
>
>  To:     gfcp@mindspring.com, community_garden@mallorn.com
>  Subject:Re: [cg] In the demented modern system
>  Date:   Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:54:34 -0500
>
>
>
>
>  Helen,
>
>
>  I wonder if there are any suburban communities where it is acceptable to
let
>  your lawn go?  I believe that the general trend is towards greater
private
>  neighborhood oversight of aesthetics such as grass. (i loved the summer's
>  Doonesbury skits on Cali) It would be great to find an example of an
>  enlightened neighborhood and track the effects of such upon property
values.
>
>  I am a Master's in Planning student and have begun following the listserv
>  dialogues because I plan on writing a thesis on community gardens and
their
>  relationship to property values. Any info on that specific variable would
be
>  very much appreciated. 
>
>
>
>
>  Sincerely
>   
>  Brian Kehoe
>  Masters in Urban Planning
>  University of Buffalo
>  >From: "a.h.steely"
>  >To:
>  >Subject: [cg] In the demented modern system 
>  >Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:57:47 -0500 
>  > 
>  >Sharon had a great idea about keeping the kids close to home instead of
the
>  >soccer thing but we need to realize that tuition can often be paid for
if 
>  >you are a top athlete. The ladies at the Master Gardener class read a
great
>  >script about the Creator talking to St Francis about the tribe of 
>  >suburbanites that live in Penna. and have large areas of flat green
grass 
>  >rather than the diversity which was there originally. If someone has a
copy
>  >could you please guide me to a website to copy the script. 
>  > 
>  >and they water the grass to have it grow so that they can cut it short
and 
>  >bag it to have it hauled away... Urban lawns need to be turned into
gardens
>  >for wild native plants to draw the beneficial bugs and fungi into the
>  veggie 
>  >gardens. Most of the foreign plants are not nutritious for our
beneficials!
>  > 
>  >Helen Steely 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  >______________________________________________________ 
>  >The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of
>  ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and
to
>  find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org 
>  > 
>  > 
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