Re: Lowest pinnae length as ID clincher

Hello Larry,
    I believe I mentioned before that Dryopteris dilatata is a very free
sowing weed for me in my greenhouses along with D. carthusiana and local
natives.  Chris Page writes that it is a "rapidly-growing species and a
vigorous fern to the point of becoming weedy, especially int he cooler north
of Britian."
    Other observations that might help you in his key:
Stipe scales:  "abundant, large upward-pointing scales, which densely
overlap each other at the base of the stipe, and in old, well-established
plants these are very large and of a coarse texture.  In the majority of
plants, these scales have pale edges, with a conspicuous central dark-brown
lengthwise stripe, sometimes sufficiently broad to make the whole of each
scale, andhence the whole base of the stipe, appear a deep shining
blackish-brown. The bases of the stipe scales are usually cordate-i.e.
hollowed and lobed either side in a heart-shaped manner.  Juvenile fronds
and those arising from occasional, long creeping, ofset rhizomes, frequently
have only sparse, pale, more concolorous stipe scales, with only a few
darker, centrally located cells in the extreme base."  These atypical scales
have caused confusion in assigning dilatata cultivars to other species.
Judith I. Jones
  ----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Shone" <greenlarry@ntlworld.com>
To: <ferns@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ferns] Lowest pinnae length as ID clincher


> I'm not sure how or where this fern came from, it may have been a spore
that
> blew in and made itself at home(but why arent there others?) or a dormant
> spore present in the compost I used back in '03.
> Thanks for the info!
> Larry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judith I Jones" <judith@fancyfronds.com>
> To: <ferns@hort.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [ferns] Lowest pinnae length as ID clincher
>
>
> > ello Larry,
> >     You are most welcome.  It always helps wehn you have an idea where a
> > plant originated as at least you can start with the possibles before
> adding
> > in the improbables.  It does make identifying rogue sporlings that
appear
> in
> > spores from spore exchanges an interesting challenge.  I deal with many
> such
> > species in many genera continually.
> > Judith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Shone" <greenlarry@ntlworld.com>
> > To: <ferns@hort.net>
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ferns] Lowest pinnae length as ID clincher
> >
> >
> > > Thanks for that Judith :)
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Judith I Jones" <judith@fancyfronds.com>
> > > To: <ferns@hort.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 5:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ferns] Lowest pinnae length as ID clincher
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello Larry,
> > > >     The size of the basiscopic pinnule is a distinguishing feature
> used
> > to
> > > > help determine Dryopteris species from one another but is not
> > necessarily
> > > > indicative that a fern is a Dryopteris.
> > > > Judith I. Jones
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Larry Shone" <greenlarry@ntlworld.com>
> > > > To: <ferns@hort.net>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 5:09 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ferns] Lowest pinnae length as ID clincher
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > <In the case of many dryopteris species it is the lowemost pinnule
> > next
> > > > > to the rachis or center stem, referred to as basiscopic, is often
> used
> > > in
> > > > > the key and to help identify certain species.  It may be smaller
> than
> > > the
> > > > > adjacent basiscopic pinnule or larger>
> > > > >
> > > > > So my fern has a larger basiscopic pinnule, and is rherefore a
> > > Dryopteris!
> > > > >
> > > >
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