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Re: climbing rose

Hi DF-
As far as I know most commercial roses are grafted onto rootstock still. You actually have to hunt down places that grow "own-root" roses. The "own-root" roses will never have suckers from the root stock that have to constantly be cut off, they are hardier in the long run, and less disease-prone according to the research I did online before buying some. They do take a bit longer to get really well established- but that isn't a big surprise. I bet at the plant sales at the Berkeley arboretum they have own-root roses. I water my roses the same as the rest of my gardens (I really subscribe to the "survival of the fittest" version of gardening after the first year a plant is in my garden. It either lives or it doesn't). Anyway, watering in summer 2-3 times per week (depending on how hot it is). My soil is gradually getting better, but still has plenty of clay. I'm sure there are winters where they have wet feet. I've never had a rose die. I do add LOTS of greensand when planting and then every year as top dressing. This seems to have helped. I feed when I think about it- probably twice per year. I use all organic stuff- often whatever I have around. I tend to go up to Peaceful Valley Farm supply in Grass Valley once a year and stock up on everything under the sun (they sell greensand in 50 lb bags). I try to get pelletized fertilizers when ever i can, as otherwise you have to contend with dust when spreading it (and I do the toss a cup full here and there method). I did get a soil test done also- so I try to gear some of my choices toward that. I'm apparently forever low in nitrogen. I really should get a new test done. Maybe I'll go order the test kit and bring in the sample next time I drive up there..... Hmmm. Their catalog is really informative too- everything you ever wanted to know about soil amendments+. I've had stuff delivered in the past too- but at a certain point it just makes more sense to drive up rather than pay the shipping. Oh- I also found that if I pre-ordered before I went, then I didn't have to be disappointed by stuff being sold out then I got there. Their website is:

Oh- and I got the greatest gardening 'bucket' thing from there. It is so handy to haul all kinds of stuff from soil to weeds. I've killed several of those pop-up kangaroo bucket things (read- waste of money). But this recycled plastic thing is super strong and the handles make it easy to move. http://www.groworganic.com/item_GO605_Black_Recycled_Bucket__Medium.html

I may have run out of room to plant anything else in my own garden- but hey, as long as we have this list I will always feel like I'm planting something just from all the good questions you all ask and new planting plans you come up with : ) Seems that everyone else but us West Coast gardeners is asleep. Well, soon we'll have Jim in the same time zone too : )

David Franzman wrote:
Hey Theresa

Thanks for the info. I forgot about Vintage Gardens. They are only about
15 minutes from me. Frankly, I thought they were out of business. I
think I'll check out their web site.

What percentage are grafted? Are you worried about fatigue or senility
in the graft over the years? That was a big topic of discussion in the
hibiscus groups as well.

Theresa, how much do you water your roses and what kind of soil? Can you
plant them right in clay? Do they hate wet feet? How often do you feed?



----- Original Message ----
From: Theresa G. <macycat3@sbcglobal.net>
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 8:08:18 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] climbing rose

I have a couple of climbers. My smallest one is Cecile Brunner- has zillions of little pink flowers every summer. It is probably about 8 ft and seems to be maxed out at that size. I also have Sombruiel- lovely flowers and is now covering at least 15 ft of fence horizonally and is still getting bigger. I have an alba rose (Alba Sauvolens- got it becuase it handles more shade than most roses) that is well behaved- only blooms for a brief period of time though : (
Or is that Madame Plantier??  I can't recall- I have both.
I have Gloire de Dijon climber in front. It has been really slow to get growing and honestly- the flowers aren't all that pretty- not like the pictures I'd seen anyway. Hmmm- I know I have 2 more, but the names are escaping me right now. The one is a single red with a white eye- I was surprised at how much I really like this bloom. Very eye catching without being gaudy. Wish I could remember what it was.
And I have a white Rugosa rose that is very nice too.

Check out High Country Roses (http://www.highcountryroses.com/ or http://highcountryroses.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi), the Antique Rose Emporium: (http://www.antiqueroseemporium.com/) -I have ordered roses from both and been very happy. I only get "own-root" roses and both companies sell them.

When looking online I also found a place that might be interesting to visit in Sebastapol: http://www.vintagegardens.com/

Have fun!

P.S. The autumn blooming clematis at work are in full bloom right now and smell wonderful. Wonder why they are called autumn blooming???

David Franzman wrote:
Hey again

Ok, second rose question. I'm looking for a climbing rose (possibly) to
climb up a trellis along my house. I don't want a huge one as the
trellis is about 8' tall and 4' wide. Also looking for a rebloomer.
South wall of my house. Any suggestions? If you have a better suggestion
than a rose would love to hear it.



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