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Re: succulents

  • To: gardenchat@hort.net
  • Subject: Re: succulents
  • From: Jesse Bell <justjess01@gmail.com>
  • Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:19:25 -0500
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Good point Dave....

On Aug 13, 2008, at 4:12 PM, David Franzman wrote:

Hi Jim
Your good point brings up another aspect of plant
buying/selling/trading and that is that for many species of plants (hibiscus among them) it's illegal to trade across national/state borders without licenses. Uninspected material crossing zones and regions can spread disease and pests that can spread to other plants with no natural defense. Daves Garden and other sites unwittingly facilitate this trafficking. The Pink Mealy Bug in Florida and the Glassy Wing Sharpshooter in California are two such pests that have devastated millions in crops in the last few years. Worse yet are the viruses and bacteria that are unseen that gets shipped to unsuspecting recipients. If you suspect a problem with a plant you receive
burn it without question.
Man, am I a bummer.  Now then Andrea?  I think I
promised you a bromeliad.  They are looking really good!

Original Message ----
From: james singer <islandjim1@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:55:41 PM
Subject: Re:
[CHAT] succulents

Let me add what I think is another dimension to this. And
that is the
internet. Many collectors or officiandos of rare and unusual
plants do
a lot more swapping than buying. I can't tell you how many
per week I get at Dave's Garden for seeds or cuttings of plants
photographed. I've traded cuttings and seeds with people in India,
Turkey, Portugal, Australia, Spain, Brazil, New Zealand, Surinam,
Rico, Israel, and probably other places I can't remember. The
web has made
this possible--you can consummate a swap in minutes, get
it into the mail in
hours, and enjoy the results in a few days--and it
will cost, max, $5-$6 for

On Aug 13, 2008, at 12:29 PM, David Franzman wrote:

Hi Noreen

I know exactly what you are saying.  What was once rare is no
really rare in the market place however the folks with money
are quite

often the collectors who are willing to pay a premium for fine plant

from reputable growers.  For the greater number of consumers who
can't really
tell the difference between a succulent and a woody shrub
they shop
at where
ever they can get the least expensive material in the
largest pot.
Since the
big box stores use plants as a lost leader to
bring in customers the
growers are really having a hard time.
Rare plants is one way they
are trying
to stay in the business without
selling their souls to Lowes and

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