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Re: succulents

Hi Jim
You are absolutely right.  Hysteria plays a big part.  Its the "crying
wolf" thing that makes it really hard to know whether its a serious threat or
a silly one.  Jim, remember the Medfly invasion under then governor Jerry
Brown?  We had aerial spraying over our houses then.  And hey, just because it
peeled the paint off of your car is no reason to believe it was harming us.
----- Original Message ----
From: james singer <islandjim1@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:21:23 AM
Subject: Re:
[CHAT] succulents

I would only remind you that burning orchards seems to be
response of insectophobes to perceived problems rather than an 
indicator of actual seriousness. Remember the citrus canker hysteria  
of a
few years ago? The idiots burned untold numbers of orchards,  
nurseries, and
people's backyards to get rid of that terrible scourge.  
Ruined a lot of
lives and livelihoods.

On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:48 PM, David Franzman wrote:

Holy smoly Batman.  Jim you and I go back a long way and I have  
> hardly
> disagreed with you but on this one man I have to say something.  
Pink Mealy
> bug is killing huge sections of citrus both in So Cal. and Fl. 
> personally
> know several nurseries that were closed because the
> method of
> eradication is burning the plants.  The glassy
winged sharpshooter  
> carries
> Pierce disease which can wipe out vineyards
and while I don't think  
> our Ag.
> dept is filled with the brightest lights
but they have spent  
> millions to keep
> it out of Sonoma/Napa area as well
as most of Nor Cal.  Two more  
> examples are
> the Apple Moth, a new
transplant from Australia or New Zealand and  
> of course
> SOD or Sudden Oak
Death Syndrome which is wiping out oak forests  
> here and
> elsewhere.
Hibiscus are a trivial crop no doubt but they are passed around
> all over the
world but what isn't a trivial crop is cotton which  
> hibiscus are
> related
to and quite easily pass diseases from one to another.
> Hey, it's a
> small
world and I suppose that all of this stuff will eventually  
> circle the
earth but if anybody is concerned with spreading noxious plants,  
> pests and
> disease the unregulated sharing of plants in a informal and careless  
> way
> certainly hurry things right along.  But you're right!!  The winner  
in the
> short run is Monsanto!
> ----- Original Message ----
> From:
james singer
> <islandjim1@comcast.net>
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Sent:
Wednesday, August 13,
> 2008 6:56:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] succulents
> I
think you overstate your
> case, David. The pink mealybug is only a
> pest of
consequence on hibiscus.
> And I think we can agree that while
> hibiscus is a
nice plant, it's really a
> trivial crop. And the biggest
> problem with the
glassy wing sharpshooter
> seems to be that it poops on
> automobiles and
causes an unsightly mess. These
> two scourges may
> excite the chemists at
Monsanto, but I fail to see why they
> have any
> significance at all.
> On
Aug 13, 2008, at 4:12 PM, David Franzman
> wrote:
>> Hi Jim
>> Your good
point brings up another aspect of plant
> buying/selling/trading and that
is that for many species of plants
> (hibiscus
>> among them) it's illegal
to trade across national/state borders
>> without
>> licenses.  Uninspected
material crossing zones and regions can
> spread disease
>> and pests that
can spread to other plants with no natural
> defense.
>> Daves
>> Garden and
other sites unwittingly facilitate this
> trafficking.  The
>> Pink
>> Mealy
Bug in Florida and the Glassy Wing
> Sharpshooter in California
>> are two
such pests that have devastated
> millions in crops in the last few
>> years.
>> Worse yet are the viruses and
> bacteria that are unseen that gets
shipped to
>> unsuspecting recipients.
> If you suspect a problem with a plant
>> receive
>> burn it without
> question.
>> Man, am I a bummer.  Now then
Andrea?  I think I
>> promised you a
> bromeliad.  They are looking really
>> David
> Never attribute to
> cleverness what can easily be
explained by stupidity.
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