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Re: rainfall

If ever there was a gardener who keeps fastidious personal records of
local climates, it is our beloved Tony V. When we visited this past
summer, he showed me his logs...truly, truly amazing! And the data goes
back years!!!!!!

Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
--Albert Einstein

 --- On Sat 12/06, Kitty < kmrsy@comcast.net > wrote:
From: Kitty [mailto: kmrsy@comcast.net]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:55:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [CHAT] rainfall

Agreed. But hardiness, heat, and rainfall maps are just starting
points.<br>They give us something. Then, as has been said of the Sunset
system, every<br>gardener should fine tune with their own collected
data.<br><br>Kitty<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "Pamela
J. Evans" <gardenqueen@gbronline.com><br>To:
<gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:21
AM<br>Subject: Re: [CHAT] rainfall<br><br><br>> That rainfall map can be
very misleading. I'm showing in the same zone<br>> as Austin and where
Jesse lives in Claremore. They get way more rain in<br>> both places
than we get. Still watering BTW. Even at 28 degrees no
less.<br>><br>><br>> ---------- Original Message
----------------------------------<br>> From: "Kitty"
<kmrsy@comcast.net><br>> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Sat, 6
Dec 2003 09:19:03 -0500<br>><br>> >Noreen, that was my mistake. They do
show TX with 5 zones. Did you have<br>a<br>> >chance to see the map
at<br>> >


>Yes, rainfall can vary much more than the map shows. But as
several<br>people<br>> >have noted, hardiness, heat, and rainfall maps
are just starting points.<br>> >They give us something. Then, as has
been said of the Sunset system,<br>every<br>> >gardener should fine tune
with their own collected data.<br>> ><br>> >I live in Zone 5 (old usda
map), zone 6 (new usda map), zone 5 (ahs heat<br>> >map), and Pink (HCG
rainfall map) However, I have microclimates and<br>special<br>>
>protection measures that have allowed me to plant some zone usda Zone
7<br>> >plants. I can construct a sand bed to allow me to grow Zone
Yellow<br>plants<br>> >or I can plant some Light Green Zone plants under
the eaves where they<br>won't<br>> >get as much rain and make sure to
avoid giving supplemental water. And I<br>> >can make sure that Zone
Dark Green plants DO get supplemental water.<br>> ><br>> >Maps are a
place to start.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >----- Original Message ----- <br>>
>From: <TeichFlora@aol.com><br>> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net

><br>> >Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 7:21 AM<br>> >Subject: Re:
[CHAT] rainfall<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> I applaud that nursery for giving
rainfall requirments, although I<br>think<br>> >> most folks have a
problem with generalized Charts because they do not<br>give<br>>
>very<br>> >> detailed or accurate information for most areas. I don't
know how<br>> >valuable<br>> >> this is in other parts of the country,
but here in Texas, rainfall is<br>a<br>> >topic<br>> >> that is very
critical and much discussed. The chart says that there<br>are<br>> >only
3<br>> >> zones for the entire state of Texas?? WOW. There is an
"official"<br>> >Rainfall<br>> >> chart for Texas that shows that
Houston itself has at least 5 different<br>> >zones.<br>> >> I live in
far west Houston (outside the city limits), actually on the<br>>
>border<br>> >> of Harris (Houston) and Fort Bend Counties. I live no
more than 30<br>miles<br>> >from<br>> >> down town Houston. From my area
to downtown are three zones.<br>According<br>> >to<br>> >> the Texas
Rainfall chart my area gets 8 inches less rain per year than<br>>
>down<br>> >> town. This is very visible in the plants that I can grow
vs. those<br>that<br>> >are<br>> >> grown down town, or parts east.
Although some folks lump my area as<br>the<br>> >far<br>> >> eastern
part of South Central Texas, this would be inaccurate too,<br>>
>considering that<br>> >> we are more humid and get much more rain than
San Antonio which is also<br>in<br>> >> South Central. Therefore, I grow
many plants that my mom in SA is<br>unable<br>> >to.<br>> >><br>> >>
Thus, I am a firm believer that rainfall requirements are very
helpful<br>> >when<br>> >> choosing plants, especially here in Texas.
Zones are helpful, but<br>> >rainfall<br>> >> amounts narrow the field
even more.<br>> >> Too bad this info isn't added to the description on
plants along with<br>the<br>> >> zones.<br>> >><br>> >> Noreen<br>> >>
zone 9<br>> >> Texas Gulf Coast<br>> >><br>> >> In a message dated
12/5/2003 8:44:26 PM Central Standa

Time,<br>> >> gardenchat-owner@hort.net writes:<br>> >> I just received
the new High Country Gardens catalogue. On pg 37 they<br>> >> > have a
rainfall map. Perhaps you've seen one elsewhere, but I haven't<br>> >> >
and I find it very interesting. They show 6 zones in which
the<br>rainfall<br>> >> > differs by 10 inch increments. In addition,
they code all their<br>plants<br>> >> > to indicate somewhat, how much
rainfall they can handle. This is why<br>I<br>> >> > don't do well with
Penstemons and Salvias. I'm in the 30-40 inches<br>per<br>> >> > year
zone. Marge and Gene are in the 40-50 inches rainfall
zone.<br>Texas<br>> >> > and OK span 3 zones from west to east. Jim is,
of course, in the<br>50-60+<br>> >> > zone.<br>> >><br>> >>
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