Re: Fwd: Price of Gas; Now Duct Tape

> ... You can't tell me that this country, in the 21st century, can't find
> an alternative resource that is viable, cost efficient and has limited
impact on
> the environment. 

Fact is, they have.  They pay farmers NOT to grow it.

> ... There is simply too much money at stake
> to change the status quo 

Couldn't agree with you more.

Kitty


> [Original Message]
> From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Date: 2/14/2003 10:32:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fwd:  Price of Gas; Now Duct Tape
>
> Yeah I spoke too soon yesterday.  I paid $1.89 for regular today.  In the
city
> it's now closer to $2.20.  You know if I thought that some of that money
was
> going into research for alternative fuels I wouldn't mind it so much. 
But, it's
> not!
>
> Now tell me:  Would people sacrifice their young men and women and
countless
> innocent civilians to fight a war over a dwindling resource that poisons
the
> earth?  People would!  (Supposed to sound like the old Chevron
commercials)
>
>  Eva and others near potential ground zero if it wasn't for the oil and
our
> insatiable appetite for same, those ladies and gentlemen who are willing
to kill
> off their own for retribution against us wouldn't have a cause.  Not only
would
> they not have a cause they wouldn't have the money to fund their cause. 
There
> is the issue of Israel but without oil revenue they would have very little
> recourse.  You can't tell me that this country, in the 21st century,
can't find
> an alternative resource that is viable, cost efficient and has limited
impact on
> the environment.  I don't believe it!  There is simply too much money at
stake
> to change the status quo and frankly the status quo will be the death of
> us...prayer or no!
>
> DF
>
> "Richard T. Apking" wrote:
>
> > Perhaps your local duct tape magnate is having a field day.  I'm sure
the
> > petroleum nazis are doing well, gas is 1.87/gal here, and plastic is
made
> > from petroleum.  Maybe I could get a job just stacking their money. 
Rich in
> > Z-5
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Island Jim" <jsinger@igc.org>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fwd: Price of Gas; Now Duct Tape
> >
> > > i don't know, rich. at least with the paper drives we were putting
all the
> > > trash in one place and tiring our kids out--both good outcomes. i
can't
> > > think of any redeeming feature of the plastic/duct tape suggestion
except
> > a
> > > brief snicker.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 09:13 AM 2/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >I kind of equate the plastic/duct tape mess with paper drives in the
> > past.
> > > >I think if we are busy enough doning something that is time
consuming and
> > > >just downright stupid we won't be able to focus on any real problems.
> > Rich
> > > >in Z-5
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Marge Talt" <mtalt@hort.net>
> > > >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:11 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fwd: Price of Gas; Now Duct Tape
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Well - and I'll probably offend the other half of the list, David,
> > > > > but, being a cynical old bod, who also lives 20 miles as the crow
> > > > > flies from the main source of natural gas in the US (i.e. the
White
> > > > > House/Capitol Hill), IMO all this scare tactic stuff is designed
to
> > > > > move people into support of policies that are, at best, dubious,
and
> > > > > which have zero support in the rest of the civilized world.
> > > > >
> > > > > Terrorism exists.  The rest of the world has lived with it in some
> > > > > form or another since W.W.II (or for centuries; even since the
> > > > > beginning of recorded civilization).  We have been sheltered in
the
> > > > > US.  I have no doubt that some other attempts at terrorism will
take
> > > > > place in this country at some time, despite the Gestapo-like laws
> > > > > that are being attached as riders to assorted budget bills (they'd
> > > > > never survive open floor debate).
> > > > >
> > > > > However, this country has a huge land mass.  Even the most
organized
> > > > > and highly financed terrorist group on the planet could not hit
> > > > > everywhere in the entire country at one time....so why put the
entire
> > > > > population in panic mode - out buying stuff they have no clue how
to
> > > > > use effectively against some unknown foe who is possibly going to
do
> > > > > something unknown at an unknown time and place. Maybe it is a
subtle
> > > > > and twisted way to improve the economy:-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Even if some group slips past our numerous and costly assorted
> > > > > government agencies in charge of security, their goal would be
high
> > > > > numbers and those are only found in major urban areas, so anybody
in
> > > > > a small town upwind of a major city has more chance of getting
hit by
> > > > > a car crossing the street than suffering from a terrorist attack.
In
> > > > > fact, even those of us living in areas that present lovely targets
> > > > > need to simply get on with life and worry about what we need to
worry
> > > > > about, which does not include going into panic mode about
terrorist
> > > > > attacks.  Remember the story about Chicken Little...
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't get me started on what is happening to our environmental
> > > > > protection policies...that really WILL offend the remainder of the
> > > > > list:-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> > > > > mtalt@hort.net
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> > > > > ----------
> > > > > > From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here, here Marge!  Is this unbelievable or what?  I had to stop
> > > > > digging
> > > > > > my bomb shelter to add my two cents.  Not to get too heavily
into
> > > > > > politics and at the risk of offending half the list but  I CAN'T
> > > > > BELIEVE
> > > > > > HIS POPULARITY KEEPS GOING UP!  He's reversing all of the
> > > > > environmental
> > > > > > protections since the 70's and his off again on again war talk
is
> > > > > > destroying our retirement plans.  Frankly, if you ask me the
bigger
> > > > > > threat is across the Pacific not the Arabian Sea...of course,
> > > > > nobody
> > > > > > asked me!
> > > > >
> > > > >
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