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RE: Ilex opaca


Not Marge, but my  Ilex x meserveae all grow in mostly to full shade.  Mine
are 20 years old.  I never pruned them much until a few years ago.  They
were getting way too tall and broad for me to handle, so I had a helper that
I hired for a day cut them way back (at least 1/3). They never sowed any
sign of stress.  Some of mine receive some sun in late afternoon and are on
the NW side of the house and garage, so they are somewhat protected.

I don't know about moving a nice specimen, but I might cut it back some

Long Island, NY
Zone 7a (Average min temp 50 - 00)

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net] On Behalf
Of kmrsy@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:01 AM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Ilex opaca

Marge wrote > I have 3 of those growing in too much shade <

OK - now a new question. I have a Ilex x meserveae 'Blue Girl" that I
planted as a little shrubling next to a little 2 foot Blue Spruce about
15 years ago. Behind it to the south is a chain link fence on the other side
of which a Neighbor has a huge Thuja. The poor thing is almost buried in
there, but has thrived and is an outstanding example IMO. It has prevented
BS growth where they meet but as the BS gets bigger toward the front, I am
seeing less and less of the holly. Might be nice to move it.

But 15 years is a long time. Do you think it could be moved safely? What
about taking cuttings first? Do Ilex take well from cuttings? - soft or
hard? when?

Thinking more about the exposure problems mentioned....This hidden one has
thrived while the other two haven't. One is on the other side of the spruce
and also getting crowded, but is up against other problems. The one that was
set further to the north in a triangle of the 3 never did well at all - I
think that was the Blue Boy. It was by itself and had full sun and wind
exposure. I yanked it a few years ago. I wonder if I'd just kill the good
one by moving it.

neIN, Zone5

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Well, Chris, I think the wind off the ocean is a bit different from 
> the wind howling across flat prairie in z5, tho' yours may contain 
> salt, which poses a totally different set of challenges for plant 
> life. Growing any broad leaf evergreen in an open field is much 
> different than having other trees/plants around it breaking the wind.
> From what I've read, growers (who tend to grow in open fields) find a 
> certain amount of die back on all the broad leaf hollies every year - 
> I'm talking about growers in this area and north - they just prune 
> them and don't worry about it. But the really bad winter we had was 
> just too much for Nellie. Now, I have 3 of those growing in too much 
> shade on the west border but protected by huge oaks and some Leyland 
> cypress on their north and west...they came through that same winter 
> just fine.
> So, I agree, siting is important with all broad leaf evergreens IMO 
> and critically when you get them in an environment where they may not 
> occur naturally. I find it important where I am. Even tho' I live in 
> the woods, I lost some broad leaf plants when I first planted 30 years 
> ago because the wind whipped around the west side of the house so 
> fiercely - before I got some large yews to break it. I still see 
> winter burn on plants in places I don't expect it to happen; where I 
> would have thought they had ample protection from wind...just goes to 
> show.....
> Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> mtalt@hort.net
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> > From: Chris@widom-assoc.com
> > 
> > I don't know about the wind factor, Marge. Being on the water
> qualifies me
> > for gardening with wind everyday. My hollies are grown with the
> protection
> > of other plants in the landscape, but nothing else. We have zone 6
> on LI,
> > too and I see all types of hollies in our landscapes and
> arboretums. I
> > guess growing them in an open field such as in a nursery would
> distress them
> > more. Maybe siting is an important factor. 
> > 
> > Chris
> > Long Island, NY
> > Zone 7a (Average min temp 50 - 00)
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