Re: 'Limerock Ruby'

I planted 5 this past spring and I don't think any of them made it through
the year.  I think they are not as hardy as they proclaim.  I don't think I
will spend any more money on this plant.  I loved the bloom while it lasted
but for the price I paid I would like for them to last for several years...
and maybe multiply.  I thought I had to have them after seeing them in a
fellow Master Gardeners garden the year before.... she lost all of hers too,
but blamed it on crowding.  I just think they aren't very tough plants.
Patricia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Theresa" <tchessie@comcast.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] 'Limerock Ruby'


> Well, I hope you are right Kitty, because I managed to kill the last one I
> had last winter.
>
> Theresa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
> Behalf Of Kitty
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 9:23 AM
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] 'Limerock Ruby'
>
>
> It might prove to be perennial for you Theresa.  As Marge said, the
> combination of cold and wet.  You don't get that cold and it sounds like
> your drainage is fine.  It's not soil moisture that is a problem, it's wet
> crowns - like when snow slowly melts into the center of the plant.
> Kitty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Theresa" <tchessie@comcast.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 10:44 AM
> Subject: RE: [CHAT] 'Limerock Ruby'
>
>
> > Hmmm- the Limerock ruby I have that still has blooms on it is near the
> edge
> > of a raised brick bed.  The drainage in the bed is only average (and
we've
> > had a lot of rain in the last 2 weeks- so that might do it in), but it
> > likely does get a chance to dry off, since it is so close to the bricks
> and
> > the sidewalk beyond that might help with heat.
> >
> > Theresa
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
> > Behalf Of Kitty
> > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 7:23 AM
> > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] 'Limerock Ruby'
> >
> >
> > I believe wet is the problem with Verbena Homestead Purple, too.  Those
> > under the eaves where they got little water came back.  Those further
out,
> > did not.  The masonry wall is an interesting experiment, but nothing I'd
> > ever do for any plant.
> > Kitty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marge Talt" <mtalt@hort.net>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 2:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] 'Limerock Ruby'
> >
> >
> > > Well, Kitty, the wet crown thing seems to affect a lot of borderline
> > > hardy plants - and from what I've heard, it's not just 'wet' crown,
> > > but 'cold-wet' crown that does the plants in.  So, maybe it will
> > > survive best in a dry site or raised bed situation.  I have not grown
> > > Coreopsis for years; ever since where I used to have some sun became
> > > too shady for them.
> > >
> > > Interesting about the cutting.  Probably because it roots from the
> > > nodes and forms more roots from 2 nodes than one?
> > >
> > > Tony has said many times about a lot of plants that are borderline
> > > hardy in northern parts of z7 that keeping them dry over winter is
> > > the key; they can handle cold, just not wet cold.  I have found this
> > > pretty impossible in my clay borders, even when they otherwise drain
> > > well.   Did read, however, on a nursery site whose name escapes me
> > > just now, but it's in my climate zone, that they had kept a brug
> > > alive by building an underground masonry wall around 3 sides of it;
> > > amending the soil so it drained like a bandit and mulching like
> > > mad....lotta work, but one of these years, I just may give it a
> > > whirl.  The concrete block wall kept the soil warmer, it seems.
> > >
> > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> > > mtalt@hort.net
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> > > > From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > > Marge,
> > > > Yes I saw his comment and offer in PD catalogue. However, I also
> > > read
> > > > comments from him and others in the past year in which they
> > > explained
> > > > their reasons for referring to it as an annual. The two items I
> > > remember
> > > > are that A) the wet crown thing (appears Ceres read that one too),
> > > and
> > > > B) the type of cutting used - they seem to think that when the
> > > plant
> > > > comes from a two-node-rooted cutting vs a on-node-rooted cutting,
> > > it has
> > > > a better chance for survival.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If it doesn't return it's ok. In 2002 a nice size plant cost
> > > $10-12. In
> > > > 2003 you could pick a nice one up for $4. It grows so quickly, that
> > > it
> > > > does make a useful annual and $4 is a reasonable price for the
> > > amount of
> > > > space it covers.
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