RE: pics for you- David''s site

That is cheap..... Chicago is more, and they don't let you do anything. If
you want electric- then you have to pay a union worker- water, guess what,
now you need a union plumber they were so ridicules you needs a union worker
to turn on the hose! and so on.... the actual price easily doubles by the
time your booth is set up.

I really shouldn't say that, it has been a few years since I was involved so
maybe things changed. 

http://www.chicagoflower.com/downloads-2006/exhibitor_letter_2006.doc

On the local club shows- the one I was involved with sold spaces for 200,
and we had 2,000 people the first expo and added a thousand more attendees a
year....

You are right tho... there are other ways to advertise and what are your
results. Mailing usually only get you a 2 percent response... Magazine ads
are really expensive and not sure what the return is on those. A full page
newspaper ad here in a local area costs about the same as a show.....

Donna

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> Behalf Of David Franzman
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:31 PM
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] pics for you- David''s site
> 
> Are you serious???  The San Francisco Flower and Garden Show
> www.gardenshow.com  is $1200 per 10x10 booth space and last for 5 days and
> they get an estimated 60,000 people coming through.  $2,000 is outlandish
> and secondly it aces out people who those shows were intended to
> include...the smaller business who don't have storefronts.
> 
> Very irritating.
> 
> David
> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kmrsy" <kmrsy@netzero.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] pics for you- David''s site
> 
> 
> > Our H&G show runs something like $2000 for a booth for 4-1/2 days.  The
> > MGs
> > get a free booth, the smallest with the worst location, because we
> supply
> > speakers.  We could never afford it.
> >
> > Kitty
> > neIN, Z5
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] pics for you- David''s site
> >
> >
> >> Donna, I understand what you are saying and agree about the benefits of
> > the
> >> shows.  But let me give you an example.  One home and garden show they
> > have
> >> in this area is over $700 for two days that might bring in 7,000
> people.
> >> Frankly, I can buy advertising that will reach far more people for less
> >> money.  I just bugs me I guess.
> >>
> >> David
> >> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Donna" <gossiper@sbcglobal.net>
> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 8:10 AM
> >> Subject: RE: [CHAT] pics for you- David''s site
> >>
> >>
> >> > Let us know when you update the site.... would love to see them all,
> >> > especially the purple ones- mom's favorite color!
> >> >
> >> > So what does Hibiscus rosa sinensis smell like?
> >> >
> >> > Shows are not for you to make money on, breaking even is where that
> is
> >> > at!... but the exposure for future sales is really what they are
> about.
> >> > The
> >> > only people who really make money are the groups- who get the spaces
> >> > for
> >> > free or very reduced rates.
> >> >
> >> > Have you looking into smaller organizations shows? I know some of my
> >> > groups
> >> > have produced their own, with reasonable fees for vendors, and most
> of
> > our
> >> > vendors do actually make money....
> >> >
> >> > Donna
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> Hi Donna
> >> >>
> >> >> No, not bored with them just wanted to carry something in addition
> to
> > the
> >> >> hibs.  For those who have them already or for those who prefer
> > something
> >> >> else.  I really like flowering tropicals...can you tell?  I have
> lots
> > of
> >> >> new
> >> >> stuff coming out on my web site this year.  I'm pretty excited by
> it.
> >> >> Including a scented Hibiscus rosa sinensis.  It's a big nice
> >> >> orange/yellow
> >> >> double.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, it's really purple.  I am rooting some more now.  There are a
> few
> >> >> purple varieties.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, I will be showing at the SF Flower and Garden and I hope to be
> in
> > a
> >> >> few
> >> >> others.  There really aren't too many that are economical.  Most
> only
> >> >> make
> >> >> money for the promoters.
> >> >> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Donna" <gossiper@sbcglobal.net>
> >> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 6:47 PM
> >> >> Subject: RE: [CHAT] pics for you
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Yes I did notice the hanging baskets....guess I forgot to mention
> >> >> > it...Sounds like you are branching out to other tropicals- Getting
> >> >> > bored
> >> >> > with the hibiscus?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > SO are those really purple in color? (she asks again!)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you planning on exhibiting at the flower shows again this
> year?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Donna
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-
> gardenchat@hort.net]
> > On
> >> >> >> Behalf Of David Franzman
> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:50 PM
> >> >> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] pics for you
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hi Donna
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Training them to be tree form.  Did you notice that some are in
> >> >> >> hanging
> >> >> >> baskets?  Some varieties are very upright and make a nice tree
> form
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> others are just as floppy as can be and make a nice basket.  For
> > many
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> are floppy the flowers hang down and are difficult to see if you
> in
> > a
> >> >> >> conventional pot.  These varieties, regardless of the color,
> would
> > be
> >> >> >> lost
> >> >> >> if some way was not found to display them.  I believe that I was,
> >> >> >> if
> >> >> not
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> first, then the second to make baskets using Hibiscus.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> By this summer I will have baskets of other species of Hibiscus,
> >> >> >> Bougainvillea and possibly Abutilons as well.  Hanging baskets
> are
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> great
> >> >> >> way to maximize space in a greenhouse as they don't take
> >> >> >> tablespace.
> >> >> By
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> way, we are also starting to grow four different varieties of
> >> >> Passifloras
> >> >> >> and three varieties of Mandevillas.  Later on this summer we'll
> >> >> >> also
> >> >> have
> >> >> >> several varieties of Colocassias.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Since this is the first year of the tree form I don't have many
> of
> >> >> >> them
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> some nursery in New Jersey just placed an order for about a third
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> what
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> have.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Geography lesson:  I just blew it.  I thought this was someplace
> > else.
> >> >> I
> >> >> >> just an order from Brunei.  Where is Brunei?.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> David
> >> >> >> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> From: "Donna" <gossiper@sbcglobal.net>
> >> >> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:01 AM
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] pics for you
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >I always knew you could do it David :)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Man... appears they loved the storm, as they are
> >> >> >> > blooming their fool heads off there...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Glad I don'thave to choose just one, it would REALLY
> >> >> >> > be tough! Are those really purple in color? Love #6
> >> >> >> > too....Dumb question- Are you training them to be tree
> >> >> >> > form or is that just a different variety?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Donna
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --- David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Hi folks
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I mentioned that I would try and get my act together
> >> >> >> >> on these pictures.  So,
> >> >> >> >> here are a few.  I hope you enjoy them.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>  http://dfranzman.photosite.com/Album7/  See Donna,
> >> >> >> >> I can do this.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> David
> >> >> >> >> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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