Re: David/Judy

12,l94 unread messages
Good gravy woman!  How much storage space do you have?

Kitty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna" <gossiper@sbcglobal.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] David/Judy


> Judy- Yep guilty too... first time in months I had a few hours here and
> there to sit in front of this computer, which helped with all the message
> backup. (only got 12,l94 unread messages to go... LOL!) Actually working,
as
> I had to baby sit the main computer as we were converting data, so jumped
on
> one that wasn't connected to it and read my email....
>
> David- well if you have only been selling wholesale and a few shows,
hum...
> time for an open house! Current trend around here is to print up sheets to
> pass out at shows about 'one day/weekend open to the public sale at our
> greenhouse' type thing. Many of the nurseries around here are doing that.
> Some really go all out with music, snacks, wine, others just make their
> plants available to anyone that shows up as they do not offer retail sales
> at any other time. Most also take a small ad (like 1/8 page which is
> reasonable) in the local paper with the info needed right before the
event.
> (time, place type thing).
>
> There are some advantages to only having to deal with wholesale accounts.
No
> public complaints, less hours than retail, etc....
>
> Another thing some are doing at shows is not allowing some of the blooming
> 'exceptional' plant to leave early in the show. Deep discounts are giving
to
> those who want the plant with the condition they can not remove it from
the
> booth till an hour before the show ends....so you still have your sample,
> but also the sale.
>
> I will think about it and get back to you <lol>
>
> Donna
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> > Behalf Of David Franzman
> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:12 PM
> > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Donna/ Advertising
> >
> > Hi Donna
> >
> > The cost of advertising is why I belong to four on-topic email groups.
> > Hib
> > groups and tropical groups.  That is also why I had to drop this group
for
> > awhile.  When I wake up in the morning I have, usually, over 150
messages
> > from overnite.  As the day progresses I get another 150 or so in
addition
> > to
> > personal email.  Some is easy to scan and delete but some I have to pay
> > attention to.  You folks are friends not business and so unfortunately
> > friends sometimes have to take a back burner to the business.  I show
the
> > pics to you because hopefully you enjoy them but I'm not doing it to
sell
> > to
> > you.  With the other groups it's free advertizing directly to those who
> > are
> > interested in what I have.  In other words free advertizing.  Nothing is
> > really free in this world so instead of dollars this type is paid for
with
> > time.
> >
> > My plants are being featured in an online catalogue called Viva Terra
this
> > year  This is a result of this type of advertizing.  If I was a better
> > self
> > promoter I should be even further along than I am.  I like to let the
> > plants
> > do the talking but that's not real world.  As you know the squeeky wheel
> > gets the grease.
> >
> > I have sold to nurseries for the past three years but I find that not to
> > the
> > be the best.  First I have to sell them for such a low cost that I'm not
> > making much on them.  Second, nurseries usually don't know how to handle
> > them so it's a little frustrating and they can only order so many which
> > means I'm driving all over the place to make little money.  I refuse to
> > sell
> > to the big box stores like Home Despot because they are tyrants who
abuse
> > the growers.  So, that leaves the farmers markets and online.
> >
> > Anyway it's growing but probably not as fast as it could.  As you folks
> > all
> > know a huge limitation is that they are not the easiest plant to grow.
> > That's one reason why we have devoted so much web site space to care
> > information.  And we continue to add to it.  Just a month ago we added
> > winter care and pruning.  There will be more in an effort to provide
> > comfort
> > to those having an issue and I make myself available by phone to those
who
> > want to talk about their issues.  It's weird I know but people become
> > really
> > attached to these plants and they hate it they start to go south on
them.
> >
> > Ok, I'm rambling.  All done now.
> >
> > David
> > http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Donna" <gossiper@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 8:33 PM
> > Subject: RE: [CHAT] pics for you- David''s site
> >
> >
> > > That is cheap..... Chicago is more, and they don't let you do
anything.
> > If
> > > you want electric- then you have to pay a union worker- water, guess
> > what,
> > > now you need a union plumber they were so ridicules you needs a union
> > > worker
> > > to turn on the hose! and so on.... the actual price easily doubles by
> > the
> > > time your booth is set up.
> > >
> > > I really shouldn't say that, it has been a few years since I was
> > involved
> > > so
> > > maybe things changed.
> > >
> > > http://www.chicagoflower.com/downloads-2006/exhibitor_letter_2006.doc
> > >
> > > On the local club shows- the one I was involved with sold spaces for
> > 200,
> > > and we had 2,000 people the first expo and added a thousand more
> > attendees
> > > a
> > > year....
> > >
> > > You are right tho... there are other ways to advertise and what are
your
> > > results. Mailing usually only get you a 2 percent response... Magazine
> > ads
> > > are really expensive and not sure what the return is on those. A full
> > page
> > > newspaper ad here in a local area costs about the same as a show.....
> > >
> > > Donna
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> > >> Behalf Of David Franzman
> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:31 PM
> > >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] pics for you- David''s site
> > >>
> > >> Are you serious???  The San Francisco Flower and Garden Show
> > >> www.gardenshow.com  is $1200 per 10x10 booth space and last for 5
days
> > >> and
> > >> they get an estimated 60,000 people coming through.  $2,000 is
> > outlandish
> > >> and secondly it aces out people who those shows were intended to
> > >> include...the smaller business who don't have storefronts.
> > >>
> > >> Very irritating.
> > >>
> > >> David
> > >> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "kmrsy" <kmrsy@netzero.net>
> > >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:48 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] pics for you- David''s site
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Our H&G show runs something like $2000 for a booth for 4-1/2 days.
> > The
> > >> > MGs
> > >> > get a free booth, the smallest with the worst location, because we
> > >> supply
> > >> > speakers.  We could never afford it.
> > >> >
> > >> > Kitty
> > >> > neIN, Z5
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> > >> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >> > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:36 PM
> > >> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] pics for you- David''s site
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> Donna, I understand what you are saying and agree about the
benefits
> > >> >> of
> > >> > the
> > >> >> shows.  But let me give you an example.  One home and garden show
> > they
> > >> > have
> > >> >> in this area is over $700 for two days that might bring in 7,000
> > >> people.
> > >> >> Frankly, I can buy advertising that will reach far more people for
> > >> >> less
> > >> >> money.  I just bugs me I guess.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> David
> > >> >> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> From: "Donna" <gossiper@sbcglobal.net>
> > >> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >> >> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 8:10 AM
> > >> >> Subject: RE: [CHAT] pics for you- David''s site
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Let us know when you update the site.... would love to see them
> > all,
> > >> >> > especially the purple ones- mom's favorite color!
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > So what does Hibiscus rosa sinensis smell like?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Shows are not for you to make money on, breaking even is where
> > that
> > >> is
> > >> >> > at!... but the exposure for future sales is really what they are
> > >> about.
> > >> >> > The
> > >> >> > only people who really make money are the groups- who get the
> > spaces
> > >> >> > for
> > >> >> > free or very reduced rates.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Have you looking into smaller organizations shows? I know some
of
> > my
> > >> >> > groups
> > >> >> > have produced their own, with reasonable fees for vendors, and
> > most
> > >> of
> > >> > our
> > >> >> > vendors do actually make money....
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Donna
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> >> Hi Donna
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> No, not bored with them just wanted to carry something in
> > addition
> > >> to
> > >> > the
> > >> >> >> hibs.  For those who have them already or for those who prefer
> > >> > something
> > >> >> >> else.  I really like flowering tropicals...can you tell?  I
have
> > >> lots
> > >> > of
> > >> >> >> new
> > >> >> >> stuff coming out on my web site this year.  I'm pretty excited
by
> > >> it.
> > >> >> >> Including a scented Hibiscus rosa sinensis.  It's a big nice
> > >> >> >> orange/yellow
> > >> >> >> double.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Yes, it's really purple.  I am rooting some more now.  There
are
> > a
> > >> few
> > >> >> >> purple varieties.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Yes, I will be showing at the SF Flower and Garden and I hope
to
> > be
> > >> in
> > >> > a
> > >> >> >> few
> > >> >> >> others.  There really aren't too many that are economical.
Most
> > >> only
> > >> >> >> make
> > >> >> >> money for the promoters.
> > >> >> >> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> >> From: "Donna" <gossiper@sbcglobal.net>
> > >> >> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 6:47 PM
> > >> >> >> Subject: RE: [CHAT] pics for you
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> > Yes I did notice the hanging baskets....guess I forgot to
> > mention
> > >> >> >> > it...Sounds like you are branching out to other tropicals-
> > >> >> >> > Getting
> > >> >> >> > bored
> > >> >> >> > with the hibiscus?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > SO are those really purple in color? (she asks again!)
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Are you planning on exhibiting at the flower shows again this
> > >> year?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Donna
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> >> >> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-
> > >> gardenchat@hort.net]
> > >> > On
> > >> >> >> >> Behalf Of David Franzman
> > >> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:50 PM
> > >> >> >> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] pics for you
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Hi Donna
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Training them to be tree form.  Did you notice that some are
> > in
> > >> >> >> >> hanging
> > >> >> >> >> baskets?  Some varieties are very upright and make a nice
tree
> > >> form
> > >> >> >> >> and
> > >> >> >> >> others are just as floppy as can be and make a nice basket.
> > For
> > >> > many
> > >> >> >> >> that
> > >> >> >> >> are floppy the flowers hang down and are difficult to see if
> > you
> > >> in
> > >> > a
> > >> >> >> >> conventional pot.  These varieties, regardless of the color,
> > >> would
> > >> > be
> > >> >> >> >> lost
> > >> >> >> >> if some way was not found to display them.  I believe that I
> > >> >> >> >> was,
> > >> >> >> >> if
> > >> >> >> not
> > >> >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> >> first, then the second to make baskets using Hibiscus.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> By this summer I will have baskets of other species of
> > Hibiscus,
> > >> >> >> >> Bougainvillea and possibly Abutilons as well.  Hanging
baskets
> > >> are
> > >> >> >> >> a
> > >> >> >> >> great
> > >> >> >> >> way to maximize space in a greenhouse as they don't take
> > >> >> >> >> tablespace.
> > >> >> >> By
> > >> >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> >> way, we are also starting to grow four different varieties
of
> > >> >> >> Passifloras
> > >> >> >> >> and three varieties of Mandevillas.  Later on this summer
> > we'll
> > >> >> >> >> also
> > >> >> >> have
> > >> >> >> >> several varieties of Colocassias.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Since this is the first year of the tree form I don't have
> > many
> > >> of
> > >> >> >> >> them
> > >> >> >> >> and
> > >> >> >> >> some nursery in New Jersey just placed an order for about a
> > >> >> >> >> third
> > >> >> >> >> of
> > >> >> >> what
> > >> >> >> >> I
> > >> >> >> >> have.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Geography lesson:  I just blew it.  I thought this was
> > someplace
> > >> > else.
> > >> >> >> I
> > >> >> >> >> just an order from Brunei.  Where is Brunei?.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> David
> > >> >> >> >> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> >> >> From: "Donna" <gossiper@sbcglobal.net>
> > >> >> >> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:01 AM
> > >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] pics for you
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >I always knew you could do it David :)
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Man... appears they loved the storm, as they are
> > >> >> >> >> > blooming their fool heads off there...
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Glad I don'thave to choose just one, it would REALLY
> > >> >> >> >> > be tough! Are those really purple in color? Love #6
> > >> >> >> >> > too....Dumb question- Are you training them to be tree
> > >> >> >> >> > form or is that just a different variety?
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Donna
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > --- David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> Hi folks
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> I mentioned that I would try and get my act together
> > >> >> >> >> >> on these pictures.  So,
> > >> >> >> >> >> here are a few.  I hope you enjoy them.
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >>  http://dfranzman.photosite.com/Album7/  See Donna,
> > >> >> >> >> >> I can do this.
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> David
> > >> >> >> >> >> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >>
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