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Re: Prayers needed

Marge darlin' - I do believe you have once again hit the nail precisely
on the head! Anytime you choose to run for office, you've got my vote.
And you're exactly right, there is not accountability any more. No one
takes personal responsiblity for anything seems like. I cannot
understand such a mind set.

Mardi - do please keep us posted on Jane and I'm glad she's in such good hands.
As the used to say on Hill Street Blues - y'all be careful out there!

Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Marge Talt
Sent: 7/1/2004 12:07:55 AM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Prayers needed

> Mardi, what happened to your friend is horrible...I do so hope she
> recovers fully and quickly.  And, I hope they catch the bastard(s)
> and throw the book at him/them.
> Jim, it's not just you "maturing"....I think this type of mindless
> violence IS more prevalent than it was 30 years ago AND the media
> seem to concentrate on it as about the only news so we hear about it
> more than we used to back in the 50s and 60s.  
> But so much that is going on in our society now seems to promote this
> kind of behavior...TV, movies...you can't show people violence 24x7
> and not have it effect how they behave.  In our screwy society, sex
> is supposedly verboten but bloody violence is not...topsy turvy value
> system at work in this country.
> That said, violence, both mindless and purposeful, has taken place
> since time began.  I've been reading some works on English history
> from about 400 through 1800.  Up until about the mid 1600s, life for
> the ordinary person was incredibly violent - they were continually
> being raped, killed and maimed by whatever warring party happened
> across them - with virtually no recourse since there were no
> universal courts or laws; the average person was totally at the mercy
> of whoever owned the land they lived on.  If you go back further into
> history, the violence that was the norm in ancient Greece and Rome is
> amazing.  Violence seems to be a part of the human animal - not a
> good part, but it's there right under the surface.  Civilization
> appears to be a very thin veneer that is cracking in good many
> places.
> Also think that there are simply too many people now, crowded into
> too small areas.  Overcrowding has negative impact on many
> species...humans included.  Plus the extreme mobility of society
> means that people are strangers to each other so there's no community
> watching who knows the person, their parents and grandparents and all
> their relatives; no community censure for bad behavior as there was
> when people were more stationary.  And, our court system drags on and
> on, so anybody who perpetrates knows that justice will not be swift
> and sure if they are caught.  If they think (which is doubtful) they
> probably know they'll be able to cop a plea and likely get off pretty
> Scott free in the end; no incentive to behave anymore.  Not only
> that, with the dissolution of the mental hospitals, there are
> thousands of people on the street who are several bricks shy of a
> load; who should not be out and about for the safety of the rest of
> the population.
> Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> mtalt@hort.net
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> > From: james singer <jsinger@igc.org>
> > That's terrible. Maybe it's just me getting old, but I seem to read
> > about or hear about more of this sort of mindless violence now than
> at 
> > any previous time. I have no idea why, but if I had to guess, I
> would 
> > guess it's partly the result of the polarization that seems to have
> > infected our society. When you have some moronic WT at a rally--a 
> > staged rally in Atlanta, I might add, organized by the Republican 
> > party--to support the war in Iraq rant about women who do not shave
> > their arm pits, you know we've got big, big trouble, and right here
> in 
> > River City.
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