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Re: self-sowers

There was no occasion for her to say no.  No one asked her. She found out
about the group being formed and insisted she had to be on it.  She does do
a very good job of organizing most things and is a hard worker, I don't know
where our MG organization would be without her.  My problem with her is
mainly just as it pertains to our nursery group.  She shouldn't be in it.
Since she was doing everything else before it began, the other things take
priority.  We get whatever time or energy she has left, but always her 2

Hey, friends, thanks for letting me vent.  This woman is a good person.  We
all have our pros and cons.  I'm sure she could write a page or two about
what I do wrong.

One bit of good news.  I have been doing our MG Bulb Sale since the first
one.  On that first one she jumped in and helped me set up, which was fine,
but that made her decide she had to be there to help me every year.  I never
asked her to, but then couldn't figure out how to say, 'No I don't need your
help'.  Every year she drives me nuts, but I usually just say 'let's close
up and finish in the morning.'  Then sneak back and work on my own.  Well,
this year someone in her family is having a baby around that time and of
course that can't happen without her being there for several weeks taking
care of things.  So she won't be there to 'help' me this year. Woo-hoo!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bonnie & Bill Morgan" <wmorgan972@ameritech.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:40 PM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] self-sowers

> Kitty, it sounds like her desire to "do" is larger than her schedule!!!
> Some folks just don't know how to say "No.  I can't do that this time."
> With all that volunteering (no matter how well intentioned) it doesn't
> as though she can do justice to any of her organizations/projects or
> perhaps, even to take care of herself.   (I think this is where the "if
> want to get a job done, ask a busy person" line comes from.)
> I can identify.  I used to have a terrible time saying "no" to a good
> That 6 years or so of constant doctor's care cured me of that!  Now I
> say "yes" unless I can be pretty dog-gone certain I can keep the
> without interfering with any number of other commitments.  I sure hope
> co-volunteer learns that lesson soon.  It would be much better for her and
> for the projects/organizations where she likes to give her time.
> Blessings,
> Bonnie (SW OH -zone 5)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net] On
> Of Kitty
> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:58 PM
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] self-sowers
> Oh my, no.  My bet is that she contributes about 2000 hours per year to
> more than anyone else. But on top of that she's a volunteer at Settlers
> (some sort of Victorian pastime thing) and Fox Island Nature Preserve - as
> well as being on the board of both of these.  Then she volunteers at the
> hospital and she works for the city engaging at-risk youth in creating
> gardens around town. Add to that, she's a Vera Bradley Breast Cancer
> volunteer and a Science Central judge.  And I'm sure there's other things
> I'm not aware of.  Then the family commitments, of course.  I believe she
> about 68 yrs old.
> The point is she has plenty of energy and wears herself out doing all
> things.  Definitely a Type A.  I just wish that when we set a date
> (especially when we work it around her schedule with a couple of weeks
> notice) that she would not devote all her energy to other things on that
> date and not have time or energy to meet the commitment she has agreed to
> with us.
> Kitty
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cathy carpenter" <cathyc@rnet.com>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] self-sowers
> > If she has so little time to devote to MG, how does she maintain the
> > title? In IL, if you don't contribute the minimum hours, you simply
> > cannot be a MG.
> > Cathy
> > On Monday, July 5, 2004, at 09:22 AM, Kitty wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > My MG nursery group is made up of people who have their hands in many
> > > other
> > > projects.  This one woman is a perpetual thorn because she simply is
> > > involved in so many things but insists on being there for our
> > > projects, then
> > > falls back because something else came up.  It's a bear trying to
> > > schedule a
> > > day to work.  Last time, we finally came up with a day she could make,
> > > but
> > > not until afternoon.  The rest of us started in at 9am and then she
> > > showed
> > > up to join us for a pizza lunch that one of the other members bought.
> > > She
> > > said she had a meeting downtown and couldn't get dirty.  So she
> > > joined us at 4pm and potted 6 plants.  The time b4 that we had gone
> > > along
> > > with her afternoon time.  However, when the day came, she said it was
> > > too
> > > hot and she couldn't work in the sun.  We found her a shade job which
> > > she
> > > reluctantly did, but after 40 min she said she was tired and went
> > > home.  She
> > > was tired because she had worked on other projects all day.  She is on
> > > several volunteer org. boards and volunteers for so many things, it is
> > > a
> > > pain to work around her.  Don't get me wrong, I admire how much she
> > > does do,
> > > she's a Type A and accomplishes a lot, but our group always gets the
> > > very
> > > last of her energy and I resent it.  She finally shows up and asks,
> > > "So how
> > > are WE doing?" I don't reply out loud.
> > >
> > > Kitty
> >
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