Re: Jim's new picture links
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- Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 06:27:12 -0400
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Thanks for the ID, Marge. I think you nailed it. It has one leaf--the largest and probably newest--that has only two small splotches on green. All others, more green as size diminishes down to the smallest leaf, which is totally green.
Think I'm going to jump the pot size this weekend. Give it a little more growing room and maybe it'll start suckering.
On Saturday, July 17, 2004, at 01:58 AM, Marge Talt wrote:
Well, gang, it is doubtful that I shall ever catch up with my email; last few weeks have been on the brutal side. But, in whizzing through the hundreds of posts from gardenchat - youse guys have been busy! - I saw the link to Jim's pix and the mention of Alocasia - a species I'm currently in love with.
Jim, your fantastic child looks not unlike Alocasia macrorrhiza 'Variegata' - at least some of the leaves it throws...for pix of leaves and stems from a mature plant of this, see the article I wrote about Alocasia, Colocasia and Xanthosoma in 2002...here's the URL:
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/shade_gardening/95670
I found one of these; acquired as a very tiny plant that I am extraordinarily pleased seems to be growing this year. While most of the leaves have some green in them, it has produced a couple of totally white leaves. Now, this may not be what you have - if it is NOT, then I fall into the line of those who would love to have a bit when yours gets large enough to share...will trade for a bit of A. mac. 'Variegata' when mine gets large enough to share:-)
I did considerable research on these guys for the article. Following is an excerpt from it on the difference between Alocasia and Colocasia....may be of interest to those wanting to know - and may be way more than anybody wants to know:
"Alocasia and Colocasia were once considered the same genus (Colocasia) and there still seems to be massive cross-over in references that mention them by common name, since both are called Taro and many species of both are edible. The differences between them, according to the gurus on Aroid-L, are:
The most important difference between the two is microscopic, found within the female flowers. In Colocasia the placenta is along the interior sides of the embryonic future berry from top to bottom with the many "stems" of the ovaries attached to the placenta along the interior sides of the ovary. In Alocasia the placenta is basal, and a sparser number of ovaries and "stems" are attached to it within the embryonic future berry but along its interior base.
Generally (not always) Colocasia has a partially peltate leaf blade, while Alocasia leaf blades can be any shape imaginable from entirely peltate to sagittate, to deeply pinnatifid.
Generally (not always) Colocasia has a small sterile region at the tip of the spadix, while Alocasia has a longer sterile region at the tip of the spadix.
Colocasia produce inflorescences in a fan running away from the petiole from which they are being produced (i.e. the back of the spathe faces the petiole from which it is produced), and, generally, produces several inflorescences per leaf. Alocasia produces inflorescences running parallel to the leaf and, generally, only one or two per leaf.
Alocasia produces rather large, odorless berries carried erect, that ripen orange-red, each containing one to three (rarely more) large, round seeds. Colocasia produces small, yellow-brown, fruits on a nodding stalk that have a fruit scent and contain many, small, ellipsoid seeds."
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----------From: james singer <jsinger@igc.org>me
I'll get you one when I get Cathey's, Ceres. But no idea what the variety is. Lady had a greenhouse full of them, however. It struckhasthat they were some kind of specialty for her. Nice person; funky nursery.
As near as I can tell--and I stand to be corrected by anyone brave enough to take on these two very confused [in my opinion] genuses--alocacia has rhizome roots; colocasia [taro, in essence]tuberous roots. I think, when you look at them, it's a lot like the
difference between datura and brugmansia. Alocacia [like datura]tendto look up; colocasia [like brugmansia] tend to look down.
Man, is that scientific or what?
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