Re: AGM awards

> if it is fixed yet. www.21NGRC.com
It is a bit screwy, but usable.

Anyway..... how about the AGM list?  Anybody know where else I can get it?

Kitty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna" <justme@prairieinet.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:15 PM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] AGM awards


> Not challenging anything here.... but! (and I say this with limited
> knowledge, maybe someone else will chime in with more facts or correct
> me)
>
> The main reasons for using a pdf is due to compatibility and
> copywriting. You can open it via the reader in any system. Not all
> programs can do that.
>
> The reason for the larger file is it saves all the blank spaces as if
> they were a typed area. Why you ask? Formatting, it keeps the info lined
> up the same on everyone's screen/printer.
>
> Try it yourself with a page off the internet for instance of someone not
> great at building a site (use any of mine :))..... Now change your
> screen sizing defaults... it will look different in every one that is
> not a pdf file. Although I have nothing to do with this site, the one
> for the railroad convention is having that problem currently. The
> registration form looks great on the screen, but try printing it...
> everything is all over the place, the file in area is in two lines,
> nothing is margined.... He has been working on it for a week...not sure
> if it is fixed yet. www.21NGRC.com
>
> You should be able to change the printed surface of the paper by using
> the advanced options on your printer software.
>
> Costly- yes, but isn't every program that works expensive?  Most times
> if you change your marco settings in windows, you can do anything to a
> pdf file.
>
> Donna
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> > Behalf Of james singer
> > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:11 PM
> > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] AGM awards
> >
> > There are two big annoyances that turn me off with PDF. The first is
> > the formatting. No one who posts PDF files seems smart enough to
> reduce
> > the margins from 1-1/2 inches all around; as a consequence, a 5 page
> > Word document becomes a 15-page Adobe document that is 2/3s white
> space.
> >
> > The other is that many who embrace it want you to print out an order
> > blank, fill it in with a ball point pen, write them a check, address
> an
> > envelope, and stick the whole thing in the mail. In the last 4 years,
> > I've used hand-writ checks twice, both times to buy seeds from places
> > or persons who do not have Visa or Pay Pal accounts. And I intend to
> > quit dealing with them [maybe I already have! I mean, two checks in 4
> > years hardly makes me a repeat customer].
> >
> > But then, Adobe Reader is free. Adobe Writer is not. Maybe the trick
> is
> > "If you really want to make these documents useful, sucker, buy the
> > editing program. And, because most Adobe products have always been
> > notoriously overpriced, like they are a subsidiary of Eli Lilly or
> > something, it probably carries a hefty price tag. No wonder the
> > airwaves are beset by pirates. Avast! ye opportunists!
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, July 17, 2004, at 07:40 PM, Kitty wrote:
> >
> > > It would seem so.
> > > When I google something, I hesitate to open a .pfd file.  It takes
> so
> > > long
> > > to open compared to regular sites.  And the "Open as html" option is
> > > often
> > > difficult to read.  I am more likely to open regular sites.
> > >
> > > And the companies that put their catalogs online in .pfd!  I find
> those
> > > difficult to use.
> > >
> > > Kitty
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "james singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
> > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:51 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] AGM awards
> > >
> > >
> > >> I would think they could use my part of the tax dollars to publish
> it
> > >> in plain old ASCII. The last book I wrote for the "gummit" [as
> Reagan
> > >> pronounced it] was deliverable in ASCHII.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Saturday, July 17, 2004, at 06:00 PM, Kitty wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> preferred, I suppose, because they are more protected against
> hackers
> > >>> (I
> > >>> would guess)  Also protecting their copyrighted work.  You can
> print
> > >>> pages,
> > >>> but not pull parts from them to easily insert in your own work -
> > >>> which
> > >>> is
> > >>> exactly what I like to do.  Also for easy access by people using
> > >>> various
> > >>> platforms.
> > >>>
> > >>> I have compiled an 80+ page book for sale at our MG plant sales.
> > >>> Books are
> > >>> expensive to print, but a CD is cheap.  I changed the format of my
> > >>> book from
> > >>> .wpd to .pdf to put on the CD so anyone can use it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Lest you mistake my meaning, Jim, I do agree with you.  They are a
> > >>> pain. But
> > >>> they have the prerogative to use their preferred format.
> > >>>
> > >>> Kitty
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "james singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
> > >>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:26 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] AGM awards
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> No... but isn't PDF a pain in the touche? Why these bloated files
> > >>>> are
> > >>>> preferred by, among others, government agencies, is beyond me.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Saturday, July 17, 2004, at 04:45 PM, Kitty wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Does anyone know where I can find a list of all or most of the
> > >>>>> plants
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>>> have won the RHS Award of Garden Merit (AGM)?   I can get them
> at
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> RHS
> > >>>>> website in .pdf form, but I don't really want to print 73 pages.
> > >>>>> I'd
> > >>>>> just
> > >>>>> like to copy and paste into my own format; could then possibly
> get
> > >>>>> it
> > >>>>> down
> > >>>>> to 15 or 20 pages.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Kitty
>
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