Re: Emily

The Sumerians would shocked to hear of this!

David
http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
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I bought a house once that was built at the turn of the last century. I found two items in the attic--a small copper still and a bible. Sold the still; still have the bible. It's a big bulky thing for which some "scholar" had compiled a concordance that is printed in the margins. Same scholar, I suppose, also assigned dates to events. Did you know, for example, the the earth was created on September 22, 4004 BC? I thought not; modern education ignores many of these important facts.


On Jul 12, 2005, at 9:23 PM, A A HODGES wrote:

40%??? That's alarming.

I had to teach a class on dinosaurs my first year out of college at the
museum I worked for. I had a Christian academy class come in one day. They
brought their texts with them, and I soon found out that the only reason
they came to the class was to argue their point that dinosaurs and man
"walked the earth together." Their text actually depicted a photograph on a
dinosaur fossil and a fossilized "caveman" footprint in the same picture,
thus proving that they lived at the same time according to the text. It was
disconcerting to say the least, and of course I was only 22 at the time and
had no idea how to respond with offending someone. Now, I am NOT slamming
the Christian religion, so no one start getting upset please, but that was
way over the top. It amazed and appalled me what those children were being
taught.

Andrea H
Beaufort, SC


[Original Message]
From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Date: 7/12/2005 8:59:01 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Emily

Hey Jim

Interesting and goes along with my thoughts. One word on what you wrote
about evolution: National Geographic had an interesting article on
evolution and Darwin's journeys. The author lamented that the title of
that
breakthrough scientific work was labeled "The Theory of Evolution." This
gave the naysayers wiggle room to denigrate it as merely a
theory...meaning
just an idea rather than a firm scientific basis for the study of life
science. Also, and I think I wrote about this a few months ago, most
shocking of all was that more than 40% of the American people do not buy
the
theory. A significant number believe that the age of the earth/universe
can

be counted in thousands not billions of years.

David
http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
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From: "james singer" <islandjim1@verizon.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Emily



This may sound like I'm running for office, David, but I think it's

both.

In the short term, I think it's the cyclical crap shoot that weather

has

always seemed to be--the stuff of the Farmer's Almanac. But I think

this
is playing out on top of significant long-term change. A key factor in
What's-His-Name Grey's, the hurricane guru at University of Colorado,
prognostications is El Nino--and the occurrence, recurrence of El Nino
seems to be influenced by the continual warming of the earth.

The scary part is that these effects are cumulative. The worst of what
you
see today will be the best you can hope for tomorrow. It took a couple
of
hundred years of reckless fossil-fuel emissions to get us here--to the
front edge of reaping our harvest; it will surely take that long a
period

of constrained stewardship to get us back to a less hazardous

environment,
or even to one where we can maintain an environmental status quo.

David, the problem with "theories" is a rhetorical one. Two come to
mind--evolution and global warming. They are theories because they have
not been definitively proven beyond all doubt. Most intelligent people
understand that caveat; most intelligent people also believe the
theories
are true or very close to true. The only significant deniers are the
Kansas state school board and the current administration in Washington.



On Jul 12, 2005, at 6:58 PM, David Franzman wrote:

So Jim I think you and I agree about this greenhouse effect thing.
Everybody expects instant changes and when we have one hot period some
are claiming that it's because of the gh effect. You and I both know
it

takes more than just one season to prove or disprove a theory.

However,
I wanted to ask you about last year and this years hurricanes. We're
off

to the fastest start since recorded history.  Last year was a huge

year

with a friend of mine in Gainesville being whacked three times.

Weather

events are cyclical but would you consider the current trend an

anomoly

or a direct result of climatic change?  Just curious if your opinion

has

been altered over the last year or so.

David
http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
----- Original Message ----- From: "james singer"
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Subject: [CHAT] Emily
Now it looks like Emily is heading for the Gulf. We'll know better on
Sunday when it batters Cuba.


Island Jim
Southwest Florida
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Heat Zone 10
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