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Re: Clematis & Rocks


Nope - cooler under there.  Verrrry interesting.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net>
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date:  Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:59:51 -0500

>Pam,
>Again, I'm just guessing here, but it seems the matter of rocks/stones of
>any kind holding moisture or preventing moisture retention is relative to
>the plant and conditions under discussion.   Stones do create more air
>spaces and better flow for quicker drainage for plants that are grown in
>wetter conditions than those to which they would be better suited.  But even
>these plants that like it well on the dry side require some moisture to
>survive.   I would think that some moisture - just enough to make this type
>of plant happy - adheres to the stone's surfaces.  And since they keep the
>ground beneath cool, this little bit doesn't evaporate out, therefore is
>available to the plants.  The gravel mulch keeps the plants from
>asphyxiating in too much available water, but does help to keep the minimum
>at the ready.
>
>But then, you also say it gets warm.  Is it warm 2 or 3 inches down?
>
>Kitty
>Sure hope Jim would get back here.  He would know.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pamela J. Evans" <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
>To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [CHAT] Clematis & Rocks
>
>
>> I don't know but I use a 2" pea gravel mulch in my herb bed because it
>> does NOT hold moisture and it gets warm, but that's what the xeriscape
>> stuff (lavender, rosemary, thyme, artemisia and ornamental sage) loves!
>> Maybe stone is different?
>>
>> Wish the Bermuda didn't like it as well, but it's less invasive there than
>the regular beds...
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> From: cathy carpenter <cathyc@rnet.com>
>> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> Date:  Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:00:58 -0500
>>
>> >Could be true. Most examples of rock mulch I have seen were nowhere
>> >near 2" in depth. Guess I'd need to see a controlled study of some sort.
>> >Cathy
>> >On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 02:30 PM, Kitty wrote:
>> >
>> >> Cathy, you mentioned that small landscape rocks retained heat over
>> >> clematis roots. Interestingly, I just saw the following in a recent
>> >> issue of FG. It was in the southwest report, which doesn't apply to
>> >> you,
>> >> but if it's the case there, it should be good for you too.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "...Borrowing an ancient technique from the Anaszi, I use 2 inch deep
>> >> gravel mulch to collect rainwater, to keep the soil cool and moist, and
>> >> to encourage native perennials to reseed."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Admittedly, clematis is no sw native perennial, but cool & moist is
>> >> cool
>> >> & moist. It might not work for your clematis, but it could be helpful
>> >> for other situations.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Kitty
>> >>
>> >> -------Original Message-------
>> >> From: Kitty <kmrsy@earthlink.net>
>> >> Sent: 06/25/03 01:15 PM
>> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> >> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] TClothier site
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes Donna, that's what we were looking for.  Chris ought to create a
>> >>> link
>> >> for it on hort.net.
>> >>
>> >> Interestingly, I found my Fritillaria radeanna listed:
>> >> "Fritillaria imperialis, lanceolata, meleagris, michailovskyi,
>> >> pallidiflora, persica, pontica, pudica, pyrenaica, raddeana, and
>> >> tubiformis , Sow at Max. 5B:C (41B:F), germination irregular, often
>> >> several months"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> But...Most, including Deno say seed germs best if sown immediately. The
>> >> Frit book I just got said the seeds will be ready something like
>> >> midsummer. How am I going to sow the seeds at a max of 41 F? In the
>> >> fridge? Probably, I guess. Still it's wonderful to find specific
>> >> information on this species, since some frits respond one way and
>> >> others
>> >> another way.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Kitty
>> >>
>> >> Kitty
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -------Original Message-------
>> >> From: Donna <justme@prairieinet.net>
>> >> Sent: 06/25/03 12:32 PM
>> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> >> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] TClothier site
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> If this what you are looking for?
>> >>
>> >> http://tomclothier.hort.net/
>> >>
>> >> Donna
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Kitty,
>> >>> I thought I had the new link, but no, just the old one, which doesn't
>> >> take
>> >>> me there anymore. Anyone have it?
>> >>> Judy B
>> >>>
>> >>> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
>> >>>> Marge,
>> >>>> I've been to TC's seed info on hort.net before, but I think it was
>> >> when I
>> >>>> received a message that contained the complete URL.  I still have the
>> >>>> original location in my favorites.  Hort.net's website doesn't seem
>> >>>> to
>> >>> give
>> >>>> any indication that it is there.  I couldn't find it on the sitemap.
>> >> For
>> >>>> that matter, when I checked the Subscription Info Page, Gardenchat is
>> >> not
>> >>>> available - hence no new blood here.  Does anyone have the complete
>> >>> hort.net
>> >>>> URL for TC's info?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kitty
>> >>>
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>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> If you have weeds, you don't have enough plants.
>> >>
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>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> If you have weeds, you don't have enough plants.
>> >>
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>>
>> --
>> Pam Evans
>> Kemp TX/zone 8A
>>
>>
>>
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