Re: Re: cats teeth and other ways to spend our money

Interesting, we have an old cat, born in 87, that was doing very well this
spring and has taken to his bed after getting his annual shots.  I just
figured that the shots were hard on an old cat...like much of medicine is
on older people.  

Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN




> [Original Message]
> From: Libby Valentine <L_Valentine@adelphia.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Date: 06/13/2004 11:59:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] cats teeth and other ways to spend our money
>
> According to my vets, the newest rabies vaccine is good for 3 years,
indoors
> or out (the first 2 vaccines are 1 year apart, after that, 3 years).
> However, some states don't recognize that (here in MD all pets must be
> vaccinated for rabies, but at least they now recognize the 3 years after
the
> first 2 shots).  And there is an on-going study in the veterinary world
> regarding the triggering of cancer by vaccines - that's why the vaccines
are
> given in certain spots, so if lots of cats get cancer in their left
> hindquarter, or right shoulder, it may indicate which vaccines are the
worst
> offenders.  Friend of mine lost her 15-year old to a type of cancer
probably
> attributable to the feline leukemia vaccine.  Of course, individual
> tolerance varies, and need and circumstances vary, and I'm also sure the
> manufacturer would disagree with the vet who said it...
>
> There's also active debate over how often all of the other vaccinations
> should be/need to be given.  Makes for interesting reading - folks writing
> about it tend to be pretty passionate about their views..
>
> Libby
> Maryland zone 6
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 11:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] cats teeth and other ways to spend our money
>
>
> > Yes, a lot of talk has been made about pets getting cancer from too
> frequent
> > vaccinations.  It has been suggested that it is only necessary for an
> indoor
> > pets to get the rabies vac every 3 yrs.  Mine need them every year
because
> > they are outdoors.  Also, the manufacturer, who of course does not
agree,
> > will pay up to $1500 in medical care if the pet does contract a problem
> > related to vaccinations.
> >
> > Kitty
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] cats teeth and other ways to spend our money
> >
> >
> > > I just found out yesterday from Dr. Lisa that the rabies shot only has
> > > to be done every three years now. So hers is good until 2007. She
still
> > > needs to come in yearly for exam and other shots. Don't know if that's
> > > here or everywhere. But less shots is good - comfort-wise for the baby
> > > and pocketbook-wise for mama.
> > >
> > >
> > > Pam Evans
> > > Kemp, TX
> > > zone 8A
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Kitty
> > > Sent: 6/12/2004 8:34:48 PM
> > > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] cats teeth and other ways to spend our money
> > >
> > > > The office visit is $18.00, then add:
> > >
> > > > Feline Lukemia booster vaccination, $15.00
> > >
> > > > Feline Infectious Peritonitis booster vaccination, $15.00
> > >
> > > > Feline Immuno Virus booster vaccination, $15.00
> > >
> > > > Rabies booster vaccination, $10.00
> > >
> > > > Distemper/Calici/Rhino-TR booster vaccination, $15.00
> > >
> > > > 6 month Flea Program shot, $30.00
> > >
> > > > And he checks the mouth and gums, ears, etc., and cleans the teeth,
no
> > >
> > > > charge.
> > >
> > > > so that's $118.00 a year times 5.....if none of them gets in any
> > trouble.
> > >
> > > > Also, all but Slugger have been checked and/or treated for
> Bartonelosis
> > (Cat
> > >
> > > > Scratch Fever).  That's $30 for the test and then I don't recall the
> > cost
> > >
> > > > for treatment.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Kitty
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >
> > > > From: "Andrea H" <hodgesaa@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 10:47 AM
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] cats teeth and other ways to spend our money
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > $18.00??????!!!! Great Day, what vet do you go to? I could pay to
> fly
> > me
> > >
> > > > and
> > >
> > > > > my dogs for an annual exam up there for what it costs me to take
> them
> > >
> > > > here.
> > >
> > > > > Annuals for both dogs here run me about $300-$400  (if I get their
> > teeth
> > >
> > > > > cleaned too) Although, an annual usually involves me refilling
some
> of
> > >
> > > > their
> > >
> > > > > various, daily prescriptions. Which are really expensive.  OUCH
> > >
> > > > > Andrea H
> > >
> > > > > Beaufort, SC
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >
> > > > > From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:59 PM
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] cats teeth and other ways to spend our money
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > The cleaning doesn't cost a penny, it is part of the annual
> > checkup - an
> > >
> > > > > > $18.00 office visit charge plus the cost of any vaccinations.
> > >
> > > > > > And BTW, a red line at the gum line is a strong indication of
> > >
> > > > > Bartonelosis.
> > >
> > > > > > Ohter problems can also evidence themselves in the cat's mouth,
> too,
> > so
> > >
> > > > > it's
> > >
> > > > > > important that this be part of an annual exam.  Same as my own
> > hygienist
> > >
> > > > > > checks for cancers when she cleans my teeth.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > Kitty
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >
> > > > > > From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> > >
> > > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:28 PM
> > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] cats teeth and other ways to spend our money
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > What does that cost to have their teeth cleaned?  Just
curious!
> > Have
> > >
> > > > > you
> > >
> > > > > > > ever seen a cat with rotted teeth?  Man, oh man!  Vets these
> > >
> > > > days...what
> > >
> > > > > > > won't they are their pharmaceutical friends think of next.
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > David Franzman
> > >
> > > > > > > A Touch of the Tropics
> > >
> > > > > > > www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >
> > > > > > > From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:44 PM
> > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Jesse's computer
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > ???  Why not?  Imagine what your teeth would be like if
yours
> > were
> > >
> > > > > never
> > >
> > > > > > > > cleaned.
> > >
> > > > > > > > My vet also filled cavities on one of my cats.
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > Kitty
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >
> > > > > > > > From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> > >
> > > > > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:17 PM
> > >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Jesse's computer
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > You guys get your cats teeth cleaned???  Tell me you are
> > kidding!
> > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > David Franzman
> > >
> > > > > > > > > A Touch of the Tropics
> > >
> > > > > > > > > www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >
> > > > > > > > > From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > > > > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:28 PM
> > >
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Jesse's computer
> > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > 3 or 4 YEARS?????
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > They'd have to put me under too if tartar was left to
> build
> > up
> > >
> > > > > that
> > >
> > > > > > > > long.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > My boys get it done every year, no anesthetic, and no
> extra
> > >
> > > > cost.
> > >
> > > > > I
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > mentioned what you'd said to my vet and he said it is
> common
> > in
> > >
> > > > > some
> > >
> > > > > > > > > places
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > to just hand over your cat, but he wouldn't want to
trust
> > anyone
> > >
> > > > > who
> > >
> > > > > > > > > would't
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > let you be there while your cat was being treated (not
> that
> > your
> > >
> > > > > > vet's
> > >
> > > > > > > > not
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > trustworthy, just good to be there to see what's being
> done)
> > He
> > >
> > > > > > also
> > >
> > > > > > > > > feels
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > anesthetic's not necessary and is expensive.  He said he
> has
> > >
> > > > > clients
> > >
> > > > > > > who
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > come to him twice a year from Cleveland - about 5 hrs
> away -
> > >
> > > > > because
> > >
> > > > > > > the
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > vets there insist on anesthetic.  They found it was
> cheaper
> > to
> > >
> > > > > make
> > >
> > > > > > > the
> > >
> > > > > > > > > trip
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > and visit friends than to pay the Cleveland vet and put
> > their
> > >
> > > > cats
> > >
> > > > > > > > through
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > the anesthetic.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > Kitty
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:43 PM
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [CHAT] Jesse's computer
> > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > &#65279;Jesse's computer at home is fried.  Kids got
> into
> > >
> > > > > > something
> > >
> > > > > > > > and
> > >
> > > > > > > > > it
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > got
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > a
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > virus.  So she'll be out of pocket  computer-wise
until
> > >
> > > > Tuesday,
> > >
> > > > > > > since
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > she's
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > taking
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Monday off from work.  Just thought you'd like to
know.
> > She
> > >
> > > > > > needed
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > something
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > else
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > on her plate - not.  Sugar is still very mad at me for
> > taking
> > >
> > > > > her
> > >
> > > > > > to
> > >
> > > > > > > > the
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > vet
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > today.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > She's  still pretty wobbly from the anesthesia, but
> she's
> > done
> > >
> > > > > > until
> > >
> > > > > > > > > next
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > year
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > we only have to do the teeth-cleaning thing every 3
or 4
> > >
> > > > years.
> > >
> > > > > > > Good
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > thing
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > too
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 'cause it ain't cheap.   But my angel is worth every
> > penny.
> > >
> > > > And
> > >
> > > > > > > every
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > hole
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > she
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > put in my shoulder taking her in there today.  Ouch.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Pam Evans
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Kemp, TX
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > zone 8A
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
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