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Re: time to vent!

Thanks for the full view on this Melody.  You are right; this is a win-win
situation (though some men do not see it that way)

Back in the 60s at my school, girls couldn't take shop and boys couldn't
take home-ec.  --which was just as stupid as telling us that those with
higher GPAs could not take typing.   Now that students have choices they may
actually have a chance early on to try something and find that they have an
affinity for it.  In my niece and nephew's curriculum they had a semester of
one course that consisted of several 3 week courses on various subjects that
had once been gender based.  They had the opportunity to try them all.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!

> Jim: Here's a little thing to think about...it's not only the women who
> have been liberated from such restrictive thinking...men have been as
> well. How many stay at home dads now find acceptance in this choice?
> Have you any idea how many young teenaged boys I know who have taken
> safe babysitter classes so they can babysit as well as their female
> peers? And the number of boys who choose to take home economic classes
> to learn cooking and sewing?? This is the real wisdom of women's
> lib...it allows every one, regardless of gender, equal freedom and
> access to choice.
> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."
> --Albert Einstein
>  --- On Tue 06/22, james singer < jsinger@igc.org > wrote:
> From: james singer [mailto: jsinger@igc.org]
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:06:03 -0400
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!
> All this "men's work/women's work" stuff is gibberish to me. I was born
> <br>in the early 30s [very early, Hoover was president] when that sort
> of <br>nonsense was accepted by most people. But times change and
> continue to <br>change. Women have been more-or-less liberated from such
> stupid <br>stereotypes. Or so I thought. But maybe not in the bible
> belt. Hello?<br><br><br>On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 04:45 PM, Kitty
> wrote:<br><br>>> It amazing me that girls don't think they or women
> are<br>>> capable of using a pruning saw and almost insist that my
> husband <br>>> should be<br>><br>> Even with all the efforts of the
> women's movement, some people still <br>> have<br>> not moved forward.
> They still live and breathe stereotype. Coming of <br>> age<br>> in the
> 60s and 70s, the movement did influence me in what I view to be<br>>
> positive ways for the most part. But I think, even without the <br>>
> movement, I<br>> would not be a "men's work - women's work" type. For
> the most part, <br>> if I<br>> want something done, I can do it unless
> it requires special knowledge <br>> or<br>> strength I don't have. I
> also think if you can eat, you can cook and <br>> wash<br>> dishes. If
> you can use a bathroom, you can clean one. This is not the<br>> women's
> movement speaking, it is just pure common sense.<br>> Kitty<br>> -----
> Original Message -----<br>> From: "Tchessie" <tchessie@comcast.net><br>>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:57 AM<br>>
> Subject: RE: [CHAT] time to vent!<br>><br>><br>>> It cracks me up when
> the kids in my neighborhood ask me why I'm <br>>> outside<br>>> working
> (this happened again last week as I was pruning a low branch <br>>> off
> a<br>>> bradford pear). It amazing me that girls don't think they or
> women <br>>> are<br>>> capable of using a pruning saw and almost insist
> that my husband <br>>> should be<br>>> doing it. My husband and I
> however have a very clear agreement- the<br>> outside<br>>> of the house
> is my territory. I only does something if I <br>>> sp
> ecifically ask<br>>> for his help. Mind you, I wouldn't mind if he mowed
> the yard <br>>> occasionally<br>>> without my asking- but I can live
> with that too. I have never had him<br>> chop<br>>> down, pull up or
> otherwise destroy a plant. And he is a great sport-<br>> after<br>>>
> I've planted, moved or trimmed anything, he's always willing to be
> <br>>> drug<br>> out<br>>> and view the new look. He smiles and says it
> looks great, even <br>>> though I<br>>> know half the time he can't tell
> what is different.<br>>><br>>> Theresa<br>>><br>>> -----Original
> Message-----<br>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]On<br>>> Behalf Of cathy
> carpenter<br>>> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:04 PM<br>>> To:
> gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to
> vent!<br>>><br>>><br>>> At least he didn't hit it with Round-Up! You
> won't have blooms this<br>>> year, but it should come back. Gary is
> dangerous with any cutting<br>>> instruments (mowers, weed wackers, etc)
> or chemicals. He mowed down 3<br>>> of my long established big bluestem
> this year, and he supposedly knows<br>>> the border of the bed they were
> planted in. Any shrub or tree newly<br>>> planted is marked with those
> little construction flags - makes for an<br>>> attractive yard!<br>>> My
> condolences,<br>>> Cathy<br>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at 01:16 PM,
> james singer wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Donna, my sympathy. But this is one of
> the reasons Ms. Fatma and I<br>>>> continually remind one another about
> pet projects. We do much garden<br>>>> stuff together, but there are
> also lots of things we do individually<br>>>> [she has only a
> gastronomic interest in tropical fruit, for example].<br>>>> Talking and
> pointing help a lot.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at
> 02:04 PM, Donna wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> I know many of you on this list
> are --um-- single, and I may be too <br>>>>> if<br>>>>> this trend
> continues.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Yesterday while I was on 'the girls' road
> trip, DH who should not <br>>>>> even<br>>>>> be outside, dec
> id
> ed to help me in the garden....<br>>>>><br>>>>> He proceeded to cut down
> my entire patch of queen of the prairie, a <br>>>>> 5<br>>>>> X<br>>>>>
> 5 ft stand about to bloom this week.<br>>>>><br>>>>> I came home, looked
> out the patio door and had a fit!<br>>>>><br>>>>> He thought it was a
> weed with seed heads and didn't want it to<br>>>>> spread...<br>>>>> it
> only took me 5 years to get it to fill the area!...destroyed in <br>>>>>
> an<br>>>>> afternoon.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Grumble,
> grumble....<br>>>>><br>>>>> Donna<br>>>>> I figured this list would
> understand why I am upset, seems no one <br>>>>> here<br>>>>>
> does:(<br>>>>><br>>>>>
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