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Re: time to vent!

Interesting, Pam.

My mother and I went to the same high school--had a lot of the same teachers and administrators. She was left handed and always told me [I'm left handed, too] that the teachers smacked her left hand with a ruler when she tried to write with it.

They didn't smack my left hand, but they did try to make me write upside down and backward so it would look like a righty wrote it. Of course I refused to do that and was often scolded for my poor penmanship. [In 2004, the notion of "penmanship" is out of whack; anything close to it is called calligraphy!]

I was also the only male in my typing class. Again, my mother told me that if I was going to go to college, I needed to learn to type because that was what would be expected. And at the tender age of 12, I knew I wasn't going to be a community grunt if I could help it and would go to college or else fake it and forge it. That may be the only advice she ever gave me that I listened to, and I've always been glad I did. For once she was right.

On Thursday, June 24, 2004, at 12:44 PM, "" <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com> wrote:

They wouldn't let me take shop or typing either Kitty. Still can't type
well because of that. Of course these are the same schools that wouldn't
let me write left handed either. So they made me write right handed and
started giving me D's in penmenship. Get a clue people.

Pam Evans Kemp, TX zone 8A ----- Original Message ----- From: Kitty Sent: 6/24/2004 10:19:51 AM To: gardenchat@hort.net Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!

Thanks for the full view on this Melody. You are right; this is a win-win

situation (though some men do not see it that way)

Back in the 60s at my school, girls couldn't take shop and boys couldn't

take home-ec. --which was just as stupid as telling us that those with

higher GPAs could not take typing. Now that students have choices they may

actually have a chance early on to try something and find that they have an

affinity for it. In my niece and nephew's curriculum they had a semester of

one course that consisted of several 3 week courses on various subjects that

had once been gender based. They had the opportunity to try them all.


----- Original Message -----

From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com>

To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:31 AM

Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!

Jim: Here's a little thing to think about...it's not only the women who

have been liberated from such restrictive thinking...men have been as

well. How many stay at home dads now find acceptance in this choice?

Have you any idea how many young teenaged boys I know who have taken

safe babysitter classes so they can babysit as well as their female

peers? And the number of boys who choose to take home economic classes

to learn cooking and sewing?? This is the real wisdom of women's

lib...it allows every one, regardless of gender, equal freedom and

access to choice.

Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."

--Albert Einstein

--- On Tue 06/22, james singer < jsinger@igc.org > wrote:

From: james singer [mailto: jsinger@igc.org]

To: gardenchat@hort.net

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:06:03 -0400

Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!

All this "men's work/women's work" stuff is gibberish to me. I was born

<br>in the early 30s [very early, Hoover was president] when that sort

of <br>nonsense was accepted by most people. But times change and

continue to <br>change. Women have been more-or-less liberated from such

stupid <br>stereotypes. Or so I thought. But maybe not in the bible

belt. Hello?<br><br><br>On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 04:45 PM, Kitty

wrote:<br><br>>> It amazing me that girls don't think they or women

are<br>>> capable of using a pruning saw and almost insist that my

husband <br>>> should be<br>><br>> Even with all the efforts of the

women's movement, some people still <br>> have<br>> not moved forward.

They still live and breathe stereotype. Coming of <br>> age<br>> in the

60s and 70s, the movement did influence me in what I view to be<br>>

positive ways for the most part. But I think, even without the <br>>

movement, I<br>> would not be a "men's work - women's work" type. For

the most part, <br>> if I<br>> want something done, I can do it unless

it requires special knowledge <br>> or<br>> strength I don't have. I

also think if you can eat, you can cook and <br>> wash<br>> dishes. If

you can use a bathroom, you can clean one. This is not the<br>> women's

movement speaking, it is just pure common sense.<br>> Kitty<br>> -----

Original Message -----<br>> From: "Tchessie" <tchessie@comcast.net><br>>

To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:57 AM<br>>

Subject: RE: [CHAT] time to vent!<br>><br>><br>>> It cracks me up when

the kids in my neighborhood ask me why I'm <br>>> outside<br>>> working

(this happened again last week as I was pruning a low branch <br>>> off

a<br>>> bradford pear). It amazing me that girls don't think they or

women <br>>> are<br>>> capable of using a pruning saw and almost insist

that my husband <br>>> should be<br>>> doing it. My husband and I

however have a very clear agreement- the<br>> outside<br>>> of the house

is my territory. I only does something if I <br>>> sp

ecifically ask<br>>> for his help. Mind you, I wouldn't mind if he mowed

the yard <br>>> occasionally<br>>> without my asking- but I can live

with that too. I have never had him<br>> chop<br>>> down, pull up or

otherwise destroy a plant. And he is a great sport-<br>> after<br>>>

I've planted, moved or trimmed anything, he's always willing to be

<br>>> drug<br>> out<br>>> and view the new look. He smiles and says it

looks great, even <br>>> though I<br>>> know half the time he can't tell

what is different.<br>>><br>>> Theresa<br>>><br>>> -----Original

Message-----<br>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net

[mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]On<br>>> Behalf Of cathy

carpenter<br>>> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:04 PM<br>>> To:

gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to

vent!<br>>><br>>><br>>> At least he didn't hit it with Round-Up! You

won't have blooms this<br>>> year, but it should come back. Gary is

dangerous with any cutting<br>>> instruments (mowers, weed wackers, etc)

or chemicals. He mowed down 3<br>>> of my long established big bluestem

this year, and he supposedly knows<br>>> the border of the bed they were

planted in. Any shrub or tree newly<br>>> planted is marked with those

little construction flags - makes for an<br>>> attractive yard!<br>>> My

condolences,<br>>> Cathy<br>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at 01:16 PM,

james singer wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Donna, my sympathy. But this is one of

the reasons Ms. Fatma and I<br>>>> continually remind one another about

pet projects. We do much garden<br>>>> stuff together, but there are

also lots of things we do individually<br>>>> [she has only a

gastronomic interest in tropical fruit, for example].<br>>>> Talking and

pointing help a lot.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at

02:04 PM, Donna wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> I know many of you on this list

are --um-- single, and I may be too <br>>>>> if<br>>>>> this trend

continues.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Yesterday while I was on 'the girls' road

trip, DH who should not <br>>>>> even<br>>>>> be outside, dec


ed to help me in the garden....<br>>>>><br>>>>> He proceeded to cut down

my entire patch of queen of the prairie, a <br>>>>> 5<br>>>>> X<br>>>>>

5 ft stand about to bloom this week.<br>>>>><br>>>>> I came home, looked

out the patio door and had a fit!<br>>>>><br>>>>> He thought it was a

weed with seed heads and didn't want it to<br>>>>> spread...<br>>>>> it

only took me 5 years to get it to fill the area!...destroyed in <br>>>>>

an<br>>>>> afternoon.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Grumble,

grumble....<br>>>>><br>>>>> Donna<br>>>>> I figured this list would

understand why I am upset, seems no one <br>>>>> here<br>>>>>



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