Re: Politics

I agree that there seems to be growing intolerance for differing ideas and
that seems to be supported by some of the political analysis groups.  Seems
that around 40% of the voters are stuck on each side with little movement
back and forth no matter what the news or issues.  Both parties target the
true 6% undecided...now THAT is scary for a democracy.   (Jesse, are you
truly in that 6%?)

Husband and I went to see Fahrenheit 911 this afternoon...very
interesting...biased but definitely thought provoking.  I had heard about
some of the Saudi connections on a talk show a month back...no one knew
what the caller was talking about...there is also a book on this issue in
addition to Moore's take.  

Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN




> [Original Message]
> From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Date: 06/28/2004 1:51:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics
>
> Let me add something to this.  Bonnie I agree with you that politics is a
> difficult subject in a gardening group.  I enjoy it because I enjoy
politics
> and the discussion of ideas.  I don't add too much to it though because I
> recognize that there are different ideas out there and not everybody likes
> debates.
>
> However, none of us had the tag "Re-Elect Nimrod and Ripoff for President"
> until Liz did which was on her first message she sent to the group. 
Perhaps
> what she doesn't like is the fact that many of us don't agree with her
> position instead of the content and/or subject.  You see I find a growing
> lack of respect for differing views in this country from both the right
and
> left but I'm thoroughly sick of those who profess to be conservative
calling
> all of us in the middle or slightly left of center as lefties, liberals or
> commies and unAmerican to boot.
>
> Liz, if you didn't like politics mixed into the garden soil then why did
> your initial message have the Re-elect message at the bottom?  Go and see
> the movie!  Stretch your mind.  Keep an open mind and try and see what the
> other side sees sometimes.  It may not change your mind but it might give
> you a different perspective.
>
> David Franzman
> A Touch of the Tropics
> www.atouchofthetropics.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fahrenheit 911
>
>
> > Bonnie, Liz, and All -
> > Here is the original posting:
> > "I saw this movie today, and all I can say is that it was awesome!
> Everyone
> > should make an effort to see it."
> > The responses were short items about ticket prices, distances to
theatres,
> > plans to see it, and acquisition news.
> > There was no mention of "stupidity" in regard to opposing views.  In
fact,
> > no opposing views were voiced.  I don't see any harm in someone
suggesting
> a
> > movie to the group.
> > In fact, I fully intend to see Two Brothers when it gets to a theatre
> close
> > to me.  I hope the dog-lovers out there aren't offended by my saying so.
> >
> > Kitty
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Bonnie & Bill Morgan" <wmorgan972@ameritech.net>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:42 PM
> > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Fahrenheit 911
> >
> >
> > > Liz, not all of us are left in more than our handedness.  It does
appear
> > > that those with left political leanings are more vocal at this point
> than
> > > those of us in the middle or leaning a little more right politically.
> I
> > am
> > > not a fan of political name calling and bashing either, regardless of
> > party.
> > > I do think that while there is freedom of speech, courtesy would
dictate
> > > that the political discussions should be done privately rather than in
> our
> > > normally friendly little garden chat group.
> > >
> > > Keeping it in this forum does make those of us with a different
> viewpoint
> > > feel as though we are being told we are "stupid" for seeing another
side
> > of
> > > things by the tone of recent discussions.  I don't carry on about
Kerry,
> > or
> > > Kennedy (only to name a few)  or the things I find so distasteful on
the
> > > left side, because I consider you all as friends and as individuals
> > capable
> > > of having independent ideas and I wouldn't want to make you think I
> didn't
> > > hold you in high esteem even though I disagree with much of what I've
> > heard
> > > politically on this list lately.
> > >
> > > I do love all of you out there, regardless of your politics, but I too
> am
> > > tiring of the one-sided nature of the political discussions as of
late.
> > > Could we all get back to more "friendly" and less political topics?
> Even
> > > topics regarding gardening, the ecology, natural resources and bills
> > > associated with that would be O.K. if it were couched as something for
> all
> > > to consider rather than laying blame and/or pointing fingers to this
> > > individual or party as if everything you read or hear in the press
were
> > > fact.  There are two sides to every story.  And while we finger-point
to
> > > some unnamed evil, remember that our society is what WE make of it and
> if
> > we
> > > wanted only one view, we could relax and let someone become dictator.
> > >
> > > O.K., I'm off my soapbox.
> > >
> > > Blessings,
> > > Bonnie (SW OH - zone 5)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Elizabeth Gessler
> > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:43 PM
> > > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Farenheit 911
> > >
> > > Can someone please sned me the instructions to unsubscribe from this
> list.
> > I
> > > wasn't aware that this was a politic list with obvious very left
> leanings.
> > > Liz in PA
> > >
> > > Re-elect Bush-Cheney in 2004
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Kitty
> > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:49 PM
> > > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Farenheit 911
> > >
> > > I really would love to see it, almost went to the first showing today
at
> > > 11:55.  But I reluctantly decided I couldn't spend the $10 it would
cost
> > me
> > > on a movie.
> > > I was thrilled to read, "When Fahrenheit 9/11 opened in New York on
> > > Wednesday, it broke box-office records, beating out even Men in Black
> with
> > > wall-to-wall sold-out shows"
> > >
> > > Kitty
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: <Zemuly@aol.com>
> > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:22 PM
> > > Subject: [CHAT] Farenheit 911
> > >
> > >
> > > > I saw this movie today, and all I can say is that it was awesome!
> > > Everyone
> > > > should make an effort to see it.
> > > > zem
> > > >
> > > >
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