Re: Re: Indiana wants me...

Me three please.

Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: james singer
Sent: 6/29/2004 6:32:50 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Indiana wants me...

> Me too, send it to me too.
> 
> On Tuesday, June 29, 2004, at 07:04 PM, David Franzman wrote:
> 
> > Not that one Cathy.  I only had a few of them Cathy, however, I have  
> > the
> > most gorgeous purple coming out just now called Purple Veil.  It's  
> > about 6"
> > across and has a silvery sheen to it.  As soon as I take a pic I'll  
> > send to
> > Donna as we seem a little busy around here to get my wife to fiddle  
> > with the
> > site right at the moment.
> >
> > David Franzman
> > A Touch of the Tropics
> > www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "cathy carpenter" <cathyc@rnet.com>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Indiana wants me...
> >
> >
> >> Is the picture on your web site?
> >> Cathy
> >> On Tuesday, June 29, 2004, at 12:59 PM, David Franzman wrote:
> >>
> >>> The home of Dan Quayle?  Not in our lifetime!  By the way, did I ever
> >>> tell
> >>> you folks that one of the varieties of Hibiscus that I have is a  
> >>> really
> >>> beautiful purple and is named Marilyn Quayle?  It's from a hybridizer
> >>> in
> >>> Florida.  I once asked him how I was supposed to sell M.Q. in Marin
> >>> County,
> >>> home of the hot tubs, wealthy liberals and young men who fight with  
> >>> the
> >>> Taliban?  He just laughed.
> >>>
> >>> David Franzman
> >>> A Touch of the Tropics
> >>> www.atouchofthetropics.net
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> >>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:06 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Well, we can hope.  But if the Indiana electoral college votes for
> >>> president
> >>>> EVER went to the man for whom I voted, it would be a first.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kitty
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
> >>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:37 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I don't know Kitty. I tell the Bushophiles around here, if your boy
> >>>>> doesn't get us the H outta Iraq before November, I think he's  
> >>>>> toast.
> >>>>> People are FED up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pam Evans
> >>>>> Kemp, TX
> >>>>> zone 8A
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: Kitty
> >>>>> Sent: 6/29/2004 9:10:33 AM
> >>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>  NOW THAT IS SCARY!  My God people do your civic duty, study the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> issues and vote.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> What is scary (and extremely upsetting)  to me is knowing that my
> >>>>>> vote
> >>>> this
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> November will go to Nimrod and Ripoff due to the antiquated
> >>>>>> electoral
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> college.  My only satisfaction is looking at the popular vote,  
> >>>>>> which
> >>> of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> course counted for nothing last time around, but still, I will  
> >>>>>> have
> >>> done
> >>>> my
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> civic duty.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Kitty
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:19 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bonnie, it's disturbing!  Politics is the give and take of ideas
> >>>>>>> not
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> dogma.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Certainly my views have shifted after hearing a well presented  
> >>>>>>> case
> >>>> and as
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> age my beliefs blend and mellow.  Frankly, it's the extremes that
> >>>> irritate
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> me on both sides.  Whoever doesn't agree with them are  
> >>>>>>> unthinking,
> >>>> godless
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> and unAmerican.  I hate that!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> I believe the media has much to do with that.  Instead of
> >>>>>>> thoughtful
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> discussion they have to get into these loud, bashing arguments
> >>> calling
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> each
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> other names.  Just part of the dumbing down of America.  "What
> >>> should
> >>>> we
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> watch tonight honey the Worlds Wrestling Federation or the Riley
> >>>> Report?"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pretty pathetic!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> One last thing since I'm on a roll:  If 40% are rock solid on one
> >>> side
> >>>> or
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> the other and only 6% are undecided and with only 50% of those
> >>>> elegable to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> vote actually doing so then roughly 26% of the electorate dictate
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> rest of the country the direction we will follow for at least the
> >>> next
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> four
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> years.  NOW THAT IS SCARY!  My God people do your civic duty,  
> >>>>>>> study
> >>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> issues and vote.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> David Franzman
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> A Touch of the Tropics
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> www.atouchofthetropics.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:36 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I agree that there seems to be growing intolerance for differing
> >>>> ideas
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> that seems to be supported by some of the political analysis
> >>> groups.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Seems
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> that around 40% of the voters are stuck on each side with little
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> movement
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> back and forth no matter what the news or issues.  Both parties
> >>>> target
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> true 6% undecided...now THAT is scary for a democracy.   (Jesse,
> >>> are
> >>>> you
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> truly in that 6%?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Husband and I went to see Fahrenheit 911 this afternoon...very
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> interesting...biased but definitely thought provoking.  I had
> >>> heard
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> about
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> some of the Saudi connections on a talk show a month back...no  
> >>>>>>>> one
> >>>> knew
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> what the caller was talking about...there is also a book on this
> >>>> issue
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> addition to Moore's take.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [Original Message]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Date: 06/28/2004 1:51:50 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Let me add something to this.  Bonnie I agree with you that
> >>>> politics
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> difficult subject in a gardening group.  I enjoy it because I
> >>>> enjoy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> politics
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> and the discussion of ideas.  I don't add too much to it though
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> because
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> recognize that there are different ideas out there and not
> >>>> everybody
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> likes
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> debates.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> However, none of us had the tag "Re-Elect Nimrod and Ripoff for
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> President"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> until Liz did which was on her first message she sent to the
> >>>> group.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Perhaps
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> what she doesn't like is the fact that many of us don't agree
> >>> with
> >>>> her
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> position instead of the content and/or subject.  You see I find
> >>> a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> growing
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> lack of respect for differing views in this country from both
> >>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> right
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> left but I'm thoroughly sick of those who profess to be
> >>>> conservative
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> calling
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> all of us in the middle or slightly left of center as lefties,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> liberals
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> or
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> commies and unAmerican to boot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Liz, if you didn't like politics mixed into the garden soil  
> >>>>>>>>> then
> >>>> why
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> did
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> your initial message have the Re-elect message at the bottom?
> >>> Go
> >>>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> see
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> the movie!  Stretch your mind.  Keep an open mind and try and
> >>> see
> >>>> what
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> other side sees sometimes.  It may not change your mind but it
> >>>> might
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> give
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> you a different perspective.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> David Franzman
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> A Touch of the Tropics
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> www.atouchofthetropics.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:37 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fahrenheit 911
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Bonnie, Liz, and All -
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Here is the original posting:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "I saw this movie today, and all I can say is that it was
> >>>> awesome!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Everyone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> should make an effort to see it."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The responses were short items about ticket prices, distances
> >>> to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> theatres,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> plans to see it, and acquisition news.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> There was no mention of "stupidity" in regard to opposing
> >>> views.
> >>>> In
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> fact,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> no opposing views were voiced.  I don't see any harm in
> >>> someone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> suggesting
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> movie to the group.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In fact, I fully intend to see Two Brothers when it gets to a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> theatre
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> close
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> to me.  I hope the dog-lovers out there aren't offended by my
> >>>> saying
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> so.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Kitty
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Bonnie & Bill Morgan" <wmorgan972@ameritech.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:42 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] Fahrenheit 911
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Liz, not all of us are left in more than our handedness.  It
> >>>> does
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> appear
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> that those with left political leanings are more vocal at
> >>> this
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> point
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> those of us in the middle or leaning a little more right
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> politically.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> am
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> not a fan of political name calling and bashing either,
> >>>> regardless
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> party.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I do think that while there is freedom of speech, courtesy
> >>>> would
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> dictate
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> that the political discussions should be done privately
> >>> rather
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> than
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> our
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> normally friendly little garden chat group.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Keeping it in this forum does make those of us with a
> >>>> different
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> viewpoint
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> feel as though we are being told we are "stupid" for seeing
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> another
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> side
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> things by the tone of recent discussions.  I don't carry on
> >>>> about
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Kerry,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy (only to name a few)  or the things I find so
> >>>> distasteful
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> on
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> left side, because I consider you all as friends and as
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> individuals
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> capable
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> of having independent ideas and I wouldn't want to make you
> >>>> think
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> didn't
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> hold you in high esteem even though I disagree with much of
> >>>> what
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> heard
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> politically on this list lately.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I do love all of you out there, regardless of your politics,
> >>>> but I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> too
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> am
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> tiring of the one-sided nature of the political discussions
> >>> as
> >>>> of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> late.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Could we all get back to more "friendly" and less political
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> topics?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Even
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> topics regarding gardening, the ecology, natural resources
> >>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> bills
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> associated with that would be O.K. if it were couched as
> >>>> something
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> to consider rather than laying blame and/or pointing fingers
> >>>> to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> individual or party as if everything you read or hear in the
> >>>> press
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> fact.  There are two sides to every story.  And while we
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> finger-point
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> some unnamed evil, remember that our society is what WE make
> >>>> of it
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wanted only one view, we could relax and let someone become
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> dictator.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> O.K., I'm off my soapbox.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Blessings,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Bonnie (SW OH - zone 5)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>> [o*@hort.net]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Of Elizabeth Gessler
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:43 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] Farenheit 911
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Can someone please sned me the instructions to unsubscribe
> >>>> from
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wasn't aware that this was a politic list with obvious very
> >>>> left
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> leanings.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Liz in PA
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Re-elect Bush-Cheney in 2004
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>> [o*@hort.net]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Of Kitty
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:49 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Farenheit 911
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I really would love to see it, almost went to the first
> >>>> showing
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> today
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 11:55.  But I reluctantly decided I couldn't spend the $10
> >>> it
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> would
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> cost
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> me
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> on a movie.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I was thrilled to read, "When Fahrenheit 9/11 opened in New
> >>>> York
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> on
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Wednesday, it broke box-office records, beating out even Men
> >>>> in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Black
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wall-to-wall sold-out shows"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Kitty
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: <Zemuly@aol.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:22 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [CHAT] Farenheit 911
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I saw this movie today, and all I can say is that it was
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> awesome!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Everyone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> should make an effort to see it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> zem
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
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