Re: Re: Butterfly population

Yeah - about quarter size maybe the tiniest smidge bigger.  They're lovely!

Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: cathy carpenter
Sent: 6/30/2004 8:49:42 AM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Butterfly population

>   I'm just a casual observer of butterflies, and my references reflect  
> that, but you have certainly piqued my interest. Could you estimate the  
> size in some way? Wingspan? Or possibly compare their size to something  
> else (like "the butterfly is the size of a quarter")?
> Cathy
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, at 06:16 AM, ""  
> <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com> wrote:
> 
> > I don't think there's a willow w/in 100 miles of here. And these seem  
> > to
> > be even smaller than Viceroys, but they are darling and seem to travel
> > in pairs.
> >
> > When the privet was blooming, there must have been 40 of them all over  
> > it.  Awesome sight.
> >
> > Pam Evans
> > Kemp, TX
> > zone 8A
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: cathy carpenter
> > Sent: 6/29/2004 9:22:08 PM
> > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Butterfly population
> >
> >> My guess would be that you are seeing the Viceroy, which is slightly
> >> smaller than the Monarch, and while unrelated, mimics its appearance.
> >> However, I have never heard that it likes privet. My references state  
> >> a
> >> preference for willows (Salix sp).
> >> Cathy
> >> On Tuesday, June 29, 2004, at 12:42 PM, ""
> >> <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oh I have seen those indeed, just never knew what they were. What are
> >>> the ones that look like little baby monarchs that love privet so  
> >>> much??
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Pam Evans
> >>> Kemp, TX
> >>> zone 8A
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: cathy carpenter
> >>> Sent: 6/28/2004 1:54:46 PM
> >>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Butterfly population
> >>>
> >>>> They are actually much more common in your neck of the woods than
> >>>> mine.
> >>>> Try this site for a photo, but they are way cuter than that!
> >>>> http://wisconsinbutterflies.org/species/157
> >>>> They are almost exclusively dependent on the hackberry as a host
> >>>> plant.
> >>>> Cathy
> >>>> On Monday, June 28, 2004, at 11:43 AM, ""
> >>>> <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Cathy - what does an American Snout look like?  My yard is full of
> >>>>> hackberry trees.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pam Evans
> >>>>> Kemp, TX
> >>>>> zone 8A
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: cathy carpenter
> >>>>> Sent: 6/28/2004 9:53:05 AM
> >>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Butterfly population
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I've been trying to actively keep or plant as many host plants as  
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> can. Have hackberry trees in our woods and was delighted to see an
> >>>>>> American Snout last year - talk about cute. Am trying for as many
> >>>>>> different Swallowtail host plants as possible: Dutchman's pipe for
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> Pipevine Swallowtail, Pawpaw for the Zebra Swallowtail, and
> >>>>>> Spicebush
> >>>>>> and Sassafras for the Spicebush Swallowtail, and dill and parsley
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> the Black Swallowtail.
> >>>>>> Cathy
> >>>>>> On Sunday, June 27, 2004, at 08:22 PM, Donna wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Butterflies are a species that needs certain plants and without
> >>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>> they will not live to maturity.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If the plants in your area are either early or late rather than
> >>>>>>> normal
> >>>>>>> growth times, the butterflies will also be.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Many are also host plant dominate. Monarch have to have some type
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> butterfly weed.. they need the leaves while in the caterpillar
> >>>>>>> stage
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> the nectar when butterflies. I will not have any this year since
> >>>>>>> none
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> my leaves are damaged. Not sure what happened last fall, but
> >>>>>>> obviously
> >>>>>>> something.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Karner blue has to have a lupine plant. Three years ago (?)
> >>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>> butterfly was down to 500. We started growing 5,000 lupines each
> >>>>>>> year
> >>>>>>> and reintroducing them also the Indiana Dunes area as part of
> >>>>>>> restoration project along with the nature conservancy. Happy to
> >>>>>>> report
> >>>>>>> that we now have thousands of the karners!. At one point they
> >>>>>>> caught
> >>>>>>> 50
> >>>>>>> of them and set up a tent inside the nature center ( with the
> >>>>>>> correct
> >>>>>>> permit to do this!)Increased the population with no natural
> >>>>>>> predators
> >>>>>>> there and then released them back into the wild... just gave old  
> >>>>>>> ma
> >>>>>>> nature a helping hand.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Donna
> >>>>>>
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